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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Are people here that stupid not to understand that Palestinians will never accept any two-state solution? They will never stop until there is no Isreal.[/quote] Why should they accept a two state solution. [/quote] Because after 70+ years of fighting, that's as good as it gets. Or maybe you'd rather drag this out for another few decades?[/quote] So if someone tries to steal your home, and they manage to hold you off for a bit, you'd just decide to share it with the thief? Since that's, ya know, as good as it gets after a while. [/quote] Yes. What exactly do you think has been happening for the entire course of human history? Why do you think most of Europe is Roman/Christian today and not Pagan? Why do you think European language is Latin based?[/quote] You're a moron, and a dishonest one at that. Oppressed and occupied people will always have a moral right to fight back. There's no time limit and no statute of limitations on oppression. If someone came and tried to murder your family and take your home you'd call the cops. But you expect the Palestinians to just hand over the keys. [/quote] My family was murdered and raped and conquered. I am Scottish. Should I launch missiles at London? What a bunch of racist assumptions you are making. As if white people don’t have their own history of oppression. Go back to school.[/quote] If you really are Scottish, you hold a British passport and are free to move to London. There are no differences in legal status between you and the English. You have a one-state solution deployed in these fair isles. [/quote] And the Palestinians could have a one state solution as well. Or even a two-state solution. All they had to do was stop trying to commit genocide against the Israeli people (and Jewish people as a whole) for a few years. They have had every opportunity! How many Israeli people have to be brutally murdered, raped, and tortured until Israel is “allowed” to defend itself? Hamas could surrender unconditionally and hand over their weapons and infrastructure immediately, and we can then discuss a plan to either integrate the West Bank and Gaza into Israel, or establish a new Palestinian state, but Hamas will never do that because they do not care about an independent state or the Palestinian people, all they care about is killing Israelis and the Jewish people. All the Palestinian people are to Hamas (and similar counterparts like the PA), is cannon fodder. Period. [/quote] Multiple Israeli leaders are on record, for years, that a two-state solution will not happen. But hapless idiots like you keep repeating this like it's possible. There hasn't been any genocidin' in the West Bank, as far as I know, but the reduction in violence brought nothing but increase in land grab. Israel always wanted the West Bank. It has nothing to do with Palestinians being violent or not. Israel wants that land. But they keep working the hasbara line that they are positively forced, forced I tell you! to grab land, steal water and unleash crazy violent settlers with full IDF protection.[/quote] And you can’t take those Israeli extremists (who are extremists in Israel, and not at all considered a majority within the Countries) and separate them from the literal decades spent being the target of an attempted genocide by the Palestinians while the rest of the world tells them to just roll over and let themselves be genocided. If Canada was a terrorist dictatorship who had spent decades indiscriminately raping and murdering Americans, I suspect there would be a small but vocal minority of American extremists saying that there should not be a two state solution. The vast majority of Israelis just want peace, they want to be safe in their homes, and the Country they have such a strong connection to. The vast majority would celebrate a feasible plan to end the fighting once and for all. Sadly, so long as the extremists are in charge in Palestine, there is no feasible plan towards peace without overthrowing the extremists, which is what Israel is currently doing.[/quote] Gonna stop your lying right here. Extremists in Israel are not a minority. They are in the government, they are in the army, they are in the police, they are in the courts. Where did half a million settlers in the West Bank come from? Mars? Where did the judges in the military courts come from that only prosecute 3% of settler crimes against the Palestinians? Where did IDF soldiers come from who look on while the settlers pogrom the Palestinian villages? Where did the IDF sniper came from that assassinated Shireen Abu Akleh? Imported from moon? How is this so-called tiny minority of extremists, in your telling, achieving these grand feats of stealing so much land? do they have magic powers? or are there simply many more of them than you'd admit? But I grant you that a vast majority of Israelis want peace, which they define as "we get to do what we want and nothing happens to us at the end". Except the homes in which they want to be safe aren't 2-bedroom apartments in Tel Aviv that cost a million dollars. No, they want to be safe in their large cheap single family houses in illegal settlements on stolen land, with roads and electric grids and IDF protection and sparkling swimming pools filled by stolen water, surrounded by a tall fence to keep out all these nasty dirty Arabs, and connected to other outposts like this by fancy roads that Arabs aren't allowed to use. [/quote]
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