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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I hate untrained dogs.  But shooting the animal is pretty extreme.  [b]Carrying pepper spray or a baton would seem to be a better option.  [/b]

But yes, if you have an untrained dog that will jump happily or get aggressive with strangers, don't let it run around loose when you are expecting a delivery!  Also, train your dogs to have better manners and know how to heel and get called off.[/quote]

Please, enter a property with pit bulls present and let us know how baton and pepper spray work out for you.

Pit bulls were bred for thousands of doggy generations to be nearly impervious to pain - they will hang on to the death in a fight against a bull, a person, another dog, etc. Pepper spray is very likely to make them angrier and more lethal, but not very likely to make them whine and run away.

I used to live in Montana and engaged in back country hiking. Everyone with any common sense knew that carrying bear spray was only any good if you carried two cans, and a gun to boot. The bear (pepper) spray might make a grizzly back off initially, but they are very likely to come back more enraged and ready to kill.

Bullets are far more efficient than capsaicin spray or sticks.[/quote]

The dog was not a pit bull.  It looked like a small hound dog. [/quote]

That doesn't matter. Dogs bite - ALL dogs are capable of biting. 4.5 MILLION Americans are bitten by dogs every single year. Pit bulls are responsible for more lethal attacks, but all breeds are represented in the dog bite statistics. These statistics are readily available many places online, go google it. GSDs are in the top 5 or 10 of lethal attacks and are a notoriously aggressive (POLICE DOGS, anyone?) breed which are quite often poorly trained in the hands of regular Joe owners.

Out of the 4.5 million people who are bitten by dogs every year, many of them develop ptsd and lifelong fear of dogs. They are not going to do a doggy dna test on the dog charging at them before deciding to be fearful for their well being. A dog that looks like a shepherd is going to scare a lot of people when it charges at them. I used to own a very sweet shepherd mix that I could clearly see some people were fearful of, because she was a shepherd and black to boot (black dogs are euthanized at 4x the rate of other dogs at animal shelters). I now have a freckle faced border collie mix that people beg me to pet when we are out on a walk.

People have fears of dogs for legitimate reasons. The eggshell-plaintiff doctrine protects the rights of a plaintiff whose pre-existing fragility makes them particularly susceptible to injury. The tort-feasor takes the injured plaintiff as she is found.[/quote]

Sure, but also if you are so scared of dogs that [b]a sweet shepherd bounding at you [/b]makes you want to shoot, being an instacart driver or post office worker or in-home technician etc isn’t the job for you. [/quote]

You are thick. A stranger has no way to know that the dog is 'sweet,' and I've lost count of the lethal and nonlethal dog attacks I've read about where the clueless negligent owners blathered about how 'sweet' and loving their dog was before it mauled or killed a family member, neighbor, or stranger.

The only party at fault here is the dog's owner, PERIOD. Legally and morally she is at fault for the death of her dog.

Postal workers and delivery drivers are bitten, mauled and even killed by dogs every year. They are not the problem - the dog owners are the problem, PERIOD.

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/amazon-delivery-driver-found-dead-apparent-dog-attack-rcna53834

https://about.usps.com/newsroom/national-releases/2023/0601-usps-releases-dog-bite-national-rankings.htm[/quote]

[b]The fact remains that postal workers and delivery drivers interact with dogs ALL THE TIME. [/b] If you are terrified of dogs, that isn’t the job for you. You can quote scary news articles all you want but the point stands.[/quote]

No they aren’t rolling around, playing fetch with doggy or even allowed to pet or motion to the dog. They are doing their drop offs then heading to the next location per job. They aren’t interacting with dog . Half the problem is Dog owners and dogs think everyone should interact or engage with the dog . They are doing a job to drop off the mail or package and then move on.[/quote]

The fact that they are statistically more likely to be bitten by dogs - a fraction of the total interactions with dogs, mind you - disputes your claims.  [/quote]

No it doesn’t dispute my claim. You don’t get it. They are told not to touch or pet a dog or engage one for the reason you just described : dog bites. Most mail men  that are bitten by dogs were not playing with the dog.  You are insane if you think that. They are on the clock. It’s not down time at your yard with dog.

Dogs can see anything abruptly thrown like mail or a box as a threat and Anything walking or running  away as prey and I assume that’s the case with mail men or delivery drivers Who get bitten . I don’t assume they’re petting and snuggling and snoozing with the dog  while they are on their shift [/quote]

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