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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]There are some kids who are great students but have terrible test anxiety and TO is a good option. I still don't think it helps much for the top schools though, unless you are submitting APs. Best advice is to put the time into prepping for SATs and APs. Don't rely on TO. [/quote] Unfortunately that argument is a hard sell on this board. I happen to agree with you. I know plenty of smart, accomplished kids who don't do well on the standardized tests. I also remember having really smart friends back when I was in high school who had this issue. They went on to do really well in T20 schools and little Ivies. But many on this board assume that those kids are frauds who have skated by on grade inflation and undemanding schools and declare that "not doing well on tests" is just an excuse. It's irritating. [/quote] If they did poorly on the test, they weren’t getting into a top 20, two or three decades ago. [/quote] PP here. They would be surprised to find out that they didn't go to Princeton and Amherst, for example. I'm not talking about making a terrible score (and usually on this board we're not talking terrible scores.) I've seen people disparage kids who are making scores in the 90th percentile because they're not in the 98th percentile. People talk about kids who score 1400 or 31 as if they're frauds and it gets really old. [/quote] Same even with a 33….[/quote] +1 people need perspective! :roll: The following was posted on another thread. Keep in mind this is the average, so there are plenty of low 30s and low 1400s in the 25-50th percentile. [quote]Pre-covid, when scores were mandatory, this was the ranking of every college's average SAT: 1. Cal Tech 1544 2. MIT 1507 3. Olin College of Engineering 1506 4. UChicago 1506 5. Yale 1498 5. Vanderbilt 1498 7. Harvard 1497 8. Princeton 1490 9. Harvey Mudd 1484 10. Rice 1482 11. Stanford 1479 12. Columbia 1473 13. Wash Univ 1469 14. Northwestern 1460 15. Penn 1457 15. Brown 1457 17. Notre Dame 1455 18. Johns Hopkins 1453 19. Amherst 1451 20. Duke 1450 21. Carnegie Mellon 1448 22. Williams 1442 23. Webb Iinstitute 1442 24. Dartmouth 1437 25. Pomona 1435 25. Northeastern 1435[/quote] [/quote] Perspective for what though? Most would tell you not to submit a 33 to T20?!?[/quote]
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