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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Oh god, people who are hung up on their Irish ancestry are the most annoying ethnic group in America. A typical conversation with them:

Them: “I’m Irish.”
Me: “oh, cool. You don’t have an accent. When did you come over?”

Them: “I was born here.”
Me: “oh. When did your parents emigrate?”

Them: “well, actually they were born here, too.”
Me: “oh. So, your grandparents came over from Ireland?”

Them: “….no.”
Me: “ah.”[/quote]

You’re an idiot. There is a difference between Irish ethnicity and nationality. I suppose you only consider Kurds as either Turks or Iraqis. The US is full of different from different ethnicities. Do you deny descendants of American slaves claims to Africa? How about Poles who retained their Polish identity when the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth was wiped off the map of Europe for 125 years? [/quote]

[b]Are you saying an American whose great grandparents were born in Ireland and who says they are Irish is actually ethnically Irish? [/b]

African-Americans are racially different. They have African genes. I doubt they claim to be ethnically African though. [/quote]

According to my DNA testing, I am 96% Irish.   All of my great-grandparents were born in Ireland.

Conan O'Brien is 100% Irish, but he was born in the United States.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W_1SrUquSmU

So neither of us is Irish, ethnically speaking?

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If you only define ethnicity as the origin of your ancestors, as seems to be the approach in the US, then you are Irish. If you adopt the definition that includes common language, culture, values, etc then you are not Irish.

If someone has Irish nationality, they are legally Irish, but that doesn’t make them ethnically Irish either by descent or common culture etc. Someone can immigrate to Ireland from Korea and obtain Irish nationality and not be ethnically Irish. [/quote]

Actually, a "nation" is defined by people sharing common language, history and culture.  But we have very few "nation-states" left... like Japan, where the people living in the "state" and also a "nation."

"So, what is a Nation?

A nation is a group of people who see themselves as a cohesive and coherent unit based on shared cultural or historical criteria. Nations are socially constructed units, not given by nature. Their existence, definition, and members can change dramatically based on circumstances. Nations in some ways can be thought of as “imagined communities” that are bound together by notions of unity that can pivot around religion, ethnic identity, language, cultural practice and so forth. The concept and practice of a nation work to establish who belongs and who does not (insider vs. outsider). Such conceptions often ignore political boundaries such that a single nation may “spill over” into multiple states. Furthermore, states ≠ nations: not every nation has a state (e.g., Kurds; Roma; Palestine). Some states may contain all or parts of multiple nations.

And what about a Nation-State?

A Nation-State is the idea of a homogenous nation governed by its own sovereign state—where each state contains one nation. This idea is almost never achieved."
https://www.e-education.psu.edu/geog128/node/534
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