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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]HYPSM will be just fine. Chicago, Rice, Northwestern, etc are not going anywhere.

The Biggest Losers: Dartmouth, Bowdoin, Williams, Amherst, etc. They'll be bitten by the hand that fed them - athletics. These schools will receive the same "woke agenda" accusation as HYP (perhaps correctly), but the second punch is the one that will connect: the many articles that will be coming down the pike about the full pay downhill skiers, sailing, and fencers (etc). These colleges are building classes that are  either Pell kids paying zero and St Ann's squash who are paying full fare. That makes for a dysfunctional classroom experience that holds zero appeal to the rest of the world.

Other winners:

The Next Michigan: MN, Iowa, Illinois, Oregon .. basically any flagship with a college town and a football team. (Schools like UCs, UT Austin already in the Michigan category)

Revenge of the Nerds aka "I know what I'm paying for": Purdue, Case, CMU, RPI, WPI, Texas A&M, VT.

Hail Mary: ND but also places like Santa Clara, Loyola Marymount, Gonzaga, Dayton, U of San Diego, Marquette.

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I disagree with the point about athletics because I think athletics are what will save these schools from being perceived as uselessly woke. For better or worse, the athletes are the ones that keep the deep ties to Wall Street, IB, etc going at the elite schools. [b]They also bring a group of students to the schools who are perceived as hard workers who aren’t annoying and who can handle hard competition. Basically, the athletics programs bring kids to the schools who don’t melt down when faced an opinion they don’t like, who have been forced to get along with team members whether they like them or not, who can handle losing, and who have a lot of discipline. [/b]That’s appealing to many competitive employers and has been for many years.

Now if (say) Amherst College guts its athletics programs, I suspect you will be right about the decline of the school. Turning Amherst into another Reed will not be great for the perception of the school. But right now, athletics is one of the only things that is preserving the reputation of these schools from being seen as producing uselessly woke and out of touch graduates. [/quote]

I'm sure I speak for a lot of people when I say: this is not my experience with younger millennial or gen z athletes who have joined our company, possibly because colleges athletics are not really team sports. I mean, sure, the squash team is a "team" but it was every person for themselves to get ranked high enough to be a full pay Williams squash player and now you're going through the motions til you can quit junior year.  A football player from Illinois or a woman's soccer player ND?  Sure. A nordic ski person from Bowdoin? You think they're not annoying? Are you f'n kidding me?

We were hybrid forever - and basically still are. I hope being in the office for the sake of face time never comes back. But some of these kids do not get it, they are really not reliably there, the work isn't done, they are zooming into important meetings from the car. I thought the entitlement was off the charts for older millennials, but omg please let us never hire another sailing team member. [/quote]

I am highly skeptical that you have any hiring experience at all, but particularly skeptical that you have hired and worked with multiple squash, sailing, and Nordic ski team members from multiple NESCACs all since 2021.

But let’s play in your pretend world and pretend you did manage to hire extensively from this extremely small group of people. Yet all of them are terrible employees? Perhaps you should look in the mirror. [/quote]

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