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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Wow what planet is that guy living on where he thinks everything is a matriarch and how can I get there?[/quote]

I hear my husband say stuff like no one takes care of him, or that no one cares if he is sad, or that it doesn’t matter if you are a good person, people only care about what you can do for them.  And I think, “yeah.  Welcome to being an adult.”

But I think he imagines that there is this other subset of people who are just loved and cared for unconditionally without anything being expected of them in return.  I don’t know who exactly he thinks these people are (other than children) or who is doing all of this caring (men?).  But it feels real to him.  [/quote]

That other subset is called "women". And the reason is because they are more inherently biologically valuable.

Way to invalidate your husbands feelings. [/quote]

Who does he think takes care of women or cares if they are sick or sad?  The kids?  Their boss? Him?  Who?

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[b]Society takes care of women[/b], because they are more biologically valuable. That's why women consume the lion's share of social services and are generally treated more sympathetically in times of vulnerability.

A man has to become valuable, because he is not born with the same degree of intrinsic value as a woman. Your husband is describing the weight of contingent value that he feels. The safety nets won't care as much about him.[/quote]

You lost me right there.[/quote]

Not sure why you're getting lost. By and large, men have always been treated as more expendable by society. [/quote]

In the United States, women who are “biologically more valuable” (fertile women willing to have children) are allowed to die in childbirth at rates not seen anywhere else in the developed world. Society does not take care of women.[/quote]

You did not refute the point at all. Just came with a random non-sequitur. I wonder why...[/quote]

Sorry I think perhaps it was too subtle.
Society doesn’t take care of women. White men (your victims) receive the highest social security payments— one might even call it the lions share.

Rape against women is prosecuted at an alarmingly low rate. Law enforcement in cases that were later re-opened because the rapist went on to commit further crimes said on the record that they simply had not believed the accusers despite DNA evidence.

That is not a society that takes care of women. [/quote]

I did not say social security, I said social safety net (not to speak of general societal acceptability of female vulnerability). Have any stats on who pays the lion's share of taxes?

People are very reluctant to even acknowledge that men can be raped. Find some better examples.[/quote]

Social security is part of the social safety net, and in fact constitutes the largest cash transfer element. No drug tests for social security, none of the other hoops to jump through that programs that don’t disproportionately benefit men have attached to them.

And everyone acknowledges men can be raped. That doesn’t in any way absolve police of not believing female victims and releasing rapists to rape again and again.

Sorry the examples don’t support your view.[/quote]

You think there isn't any residual from these types of attitudes? https://www.findlaw.com/legalblogs/criminal-defense/men-can-be-legally-raped-new-fbi-definition/

You are disingenuous and proving the husband's point. You have no empathy for men.

Are you going to address the tax point or no? There's a cash transfer alright.[/quote]

I have plenty of empathy for those men who are victims— wanting rape investigated for women in no way detracts wanting rape investigated for men. However there is no documentary evidence that the police do not[i] believe[/i] male rape victims.

We have a progressive tax system in a country in which men make more money than women. So yes, men pay more taxes. That is, again, not on the basis of their sex.[/quote]

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