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IEP 504 FARMS and ESOL are all positive factors for consideration when applying to these special programs[/quote]

Please provide a source for this. I really think you are incorrect. [/quote]

If you have the IEP 504 FARMS and ESOL factor, you are not "Locally Normed". With 85%, you are in the lottery.
If you don't have the above factor, depends, but in a low moderate FARM school, 96% will NOT be in the lottery. 
They will adjust points to make it locally normed, and you are not in the lottery anymore. 96 - 12 = 84% percentile 
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I was on the MCPS website a while ago, where they listed admission factors to the application special programs. You'll have to find it yourself since I didn't save the link. It's also been discussed on this board numerous times. Again you'll need to search yourself to find those threads but it really isn't that hard.[/quote]

PP is correct. Look under FAQs
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1jmQmo4UZDowNzddfXA56UtyB0KJPSfwiGi9oqqVT1OI/mobilebasic[/quote]

I am very familiar with the FAQs. Nowhere in it does it say you are not “locally normed” if you have a 504 or receive FARMS, etc. You assumed/inferred that. I understand how local norming works.  I promise you the MCCPTA gifted Ed committee has tried very very hard to get AEI to clarify how these student services are incorporated into the process and has asked if there is a separate lottery for those students or if they have different thresholds. AEI has not answered this question. [/quote]

I don’t think you are reading the criteria very thoroughly. It says SpEd, ELD, 504, etc, are some of the measures that are used to evaluate students for the program. While it doesn’t say these students will not be locally normed, these are factors that are taken into account.[/quote]

I assure you I’m reading it thoroughly. As I said, I am aware those are some of the criteria they are using in the process. I just take issue with the assumption a PP is making that being a student with one of those identifications confers some type of advantage or thumb on the scale in the process. It does not. Or perhaps it does. But it is not explained. If you look down to number 10 on the FAQ, it essentially says even if your kid is identified and wins the lottery, if you are a member if one of these special populations, your team can recommend that you not go forward with the CES placement. I truly think they norm everybody’s scores and then for students who have IEPs or ESOL or whatever else, they take a second look at their data and supports/accommodations needed to see if they can provide it within the CES program. If they can, kid gets the offer. If not, kid does not. Vast majority of kids with IEPs, ESOL, etc are not in the top 15 percent to begin with. Of course some are, but it’s not thousands of kids. [/quote]
Their site makes it clear it does but the earlier poster here seemed to think it counted against a kid which is not only false but illegal.[/quote]

+1 So the question is whether SpEd, ELD, etc, counts for or against the student. If being SpEd, for example, counts against the student, that is illegal. So the fact that SpEd, ELD, etc, are factors, and they are not negative factors -- the only remaining choice is that they are positive factors. If they were "neutral" factors, then they would not be factors at all and why would they even mention these in FAQs.[/quote]

I explained one plausible way they could be used as factors. I think one poster is imagining them sort of like “hooks” for college admissions. Like you get an extra point in a point system for legacy or athlete or first gen or whatnot. This lottery isn’t that complex. They use data to get a list of those who have the A grades in the particular marking period and the MAP scores in a particular semester. They put those student IDs into a lottery pool and use a random number generator to select the winners, to whom they offer seats. If you think being part of these special populations is a “positive factor” how exactly do you think it’s happening in the process? Literally describe how that would work with the lottery pool. [/quote]
Have no idea how they take SpEd, etc, into account in relation to scores. Like, maybe they widen the MAP threshold similar to that of high FARMs? I agree transparency should be a requirement for all publicly funded criteria-based programs so everyone can see if the process is fair.[/quote]

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