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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I think a lot on DCUM (who have generational wealth and are into all the wordsmith theory going on nowadays) don't realize that the old system did work to raise people up from the bottom if you had a strong support system.

I grew up lower middle class.  My parents (yes, I had an involved father) instilled in me a hard work ethic and stressed that only through education would I make more money than them.   I didn't have tutors, but I was in honors, ignored all the others trying to get me to skip school in high school, got good grades and now am part of the upper 10%.  My children have had an easier start than I did.

If there isn't familial support, the equity steps taken won't matter except on paper by bringing people like my children down.   [/quote]

You were privileged to grow up in a 2-parent household.

For some races, 69% of kids are born to unwed mothers:
https://www.childtrends.org/publications/dramatic-increase-in-percentage-of-births-outside-marriage-among-whites-hispanics-and-women-with-higher-education-levels

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That’s the consequence of poor decision making.[/quote]

The child has no say in that.[/quote]

Yep it’s unfortunate. But punishing my kid for the sins of their parents doesn’t fix that problem. Bottom line is that schools can’t fix shitty parents. [/quote]

Single parent \= “shitty parent”

Especially considering the parent who is the “single parent” is the one who stepped up to the plate.[/quote]
Agreed, but one of the two parents probably is.

That’s not to say that divorced/unwed parents can’t successfully raise a child to not need equitable measures. It for sure happens. [/quote]

This.  One of the parent is the shitty parent.  This is especially true in the poor black communities where many fathers are incarcerated.  Those that are not, many abandon their responsibilities to their kid and could care less.  I have a good friend in this situation but she is lucky because she has support from her family and they are helping to raise him.  These kids have no strong father figures at all.

The single moms with no support are working to support the family so no one is at home watching the kids.  They then get into trouble, hang out with the wrong crowd, etc….

The other issue is that some households with 2 parents, they just don’t give a sh’t about the kids and are just unfit to be parents.  Ask a teacher in a title 1 school about that and they can easily tell you the percentages and you would be surprised.[/quote]

Those kids are getting in trouble because police and school administrators are racist. It's not their fault. If you look at arrest and incarceration rates, black males are way overrepresented.[/quote]

So they are being framed?[/quote]

NP. There are multiple components to the systemic racism that leads to higher incarceration rates.

Redlining 
Lack of generational wealth 
Untreated learning disabilities 
Harsher consequences at school 
Lack of knowledge about education/college
Bias in hiring 
Bias in arrests 
Harsher sentencing

It’s pretty easy for a kid to make a few mistakes when they are young and then never be able to pull themselves out of that hole. 
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Where is the personal responsibility?

Generational wealth - shitty parents, a whole bunch of them but realistically, there are tons of normal everyday middle class Americans of all colors without generational wealth. 
Untreated learning disabilities - shitty parents
Lack of knowledge about college - shitty parents
Bias in arrests, sentencing - don’t care, stop committing crimes. This isn’t rocket science
Bias in hiring - racist quota systems set up in many institutions now. But remaining bias may also exist because all of the above is true.

[b]So how does removing advanced math[/b]/tracking fix any of that? The kids who have bad parents and/or learning disabilities will still get as good an education as the school system is capable of giving. Systemic discrimination of kids with greater learning capabilities seems like a stupid answer to problems created by perceived systemic racism.[/quote]

That’s not happening.  :roll:

But go ahead and pretend like systemic racism isn’t happening. [/quote]

It is with ELA if not with math.

[b]By the way, systemic racism isn't something that actively or consciously ccurs.  It is something that is inherently and subconsciously present.[/b]  Perhaps eliminating honors ELA is counter productive.[/quote]

It can also be active/conscious - such as redlining. 
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You're conflating two different things.  The historical practice of redlining wasn't systemic racism.  It was classic overt and intentional racism.  The unintentional secondary and lingering effects of that historical act are what is covered by systemic racism.  To whit, overtly and intentially racist housing and mortgage policies from the 50s and 60s led to a structural problem whereby negative consequences became self-propelling even though the overtly racist policies and practices were eliminated.  In other words some of the racism became subconsciously embedded in the system.  The nuances and subtleties of this distinction are important to understand because the potential remedies for the two issues are different.  Subtleties and nuance are two of the things developed in honors ELA.  The big irony is that the very concept of systemic racism is something that requires higher level advanced ELA to understand and yet honors ELA is one of the first casualties of the drive to eliminate structural inequality.[/quote]

The irony of [i]your[/i] last comment is rich.

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8688641/
[i][b]Systemic racism is said to occur when racially unequal opportunities and outcomes are [u]inbuilt[/u] or intrinsic to the operation of a society’s structures[/b]. Simply put, systemic racism refers to the processes and outcomes of racial inequality and inequity in life opportunities and treatment. Systemic racism permeates a society’s (a) institutional structures ([b]practices, policies[/b], climate), (b) social structures (state/federal programs, [b]laws[/b], culture), (c) individual mental structures (e.g., learning, memory, attitudes, beliefs, values), and (d) everyday interaction patterns (norms, scripts, habits). Systemic racism not only [b]operates at multiple levels, it can emerge with or without animus or intention to harm and with or without awareness of its existence[/b]. Its power derives from its being integrated into a unified system of racial differentiation and discrimination that creates, governs, and adjudicates opportunities and outcomes across generations. Racism represents the biases of the powerful (Jones, 1971), as the biases of the powerless have little consequence (Fiske, 1993).1[/i]

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Yes it is.  You really should read it again.  [/quote]

I read it again. Definitely worth another giggle.

Pretty funny that someone such as yourself who struggles with reading comprehension is trying to comment on “higher level advanced ELA”. 
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Nice try Karen.[/quote]

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