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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I think a lot on DCUM (who have generational wealth and are into all the wordsmith theory going on nowadays) don't realize that the old system did work to raise people up from the bottom if you had a strong support system.

I grew up lower middle class.  My parents (yes, I had an involved father) instilled in me a hard work ethic and stressed that only through education would I make more money than them.   I didn't have tutors, but I was in honors, ignored all the others trying to get me to skip school in high school, got good grades and now am part of the upper 10%.  My children have had an easier start than I did.

If there isn't familial support, the equity steps taken won't matter except on paper by bringing people like my children down.   [/quote]

You were privileged to grow up in a 2-parent household.

For some races, 69% of kids are born to unwed mothers:
https://www.childtrends.org/publications/dramatic-increase-in-percentage-of-births-outside-marriage-among-whites-hispanics-and-women-with-higher-education-levels

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That’s the consequence of poor decision making.[/quote]

The child has no say in that.[/quote]

Yep it’s unfortunate. But punishing my kid for the sins of their parents doesn’t fix that problem. Bottom line is that schools can’t fix shitty parents. [/quote]

Single parent \= “shitty parent”

Especially considering the parent who is the “single parent” is the one who stepped up to the plate.[/quote]
Agreed, but one of the two parents probably is.

That’s not to say that divorced/unwed parents can’t successfully raise a child to not need equitable measures. It for sure happens. [/quote]

This.  One of the parent is the shitty parent.  This is especially true in the poor black communities where many fathers are incarcerated.  Those that are not, many abandon their responsibilities to their kid and could care less.  I have a good friend in this situation but she is lucky because she has support from her family and they are helping to raise him.  These kids have no strong father figures at all.

The single moms with no support are working to support the family so no one is at home watching the kids.  They then get into trouble, hang out with the wrong crowd, etc….

The other issue is that some households with 2 parents, they just don’t give a sh’t about the kids and are just unfit to be parents.  Ask a teacher in a title 1 school about that and they can easily tell you the percentages and you would be surprised.[/quote]

Those kids are getting in trouble because police and school administrators are racist. It's not their fault. If you look at arrest and incarceration rates, black males are way overrepresented.[/quote]

So they are being framed?[/quote]

NP. There are multiple components to the systemic racism that leads to higher incarceration rates.

Redlining 
Lack of generational wealth 
Untreated learning disabilities 
Harsher consequences at school 
Lack of knowledge about education/college
Bias in hiring 
Bias in arrests 
Harsher sentencing

It’s pretty easy for a kid to make a few mistakes when they are young and then never be able to pull themselves out of that hole. 
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Where is the personal responsibility?

Generational wealth - shitty parents, a whole bunch of them but realistically, there are tons of normal everyday middle class Americans of all colors without generational wealth. 
Untreated learning disabilities - shitty parents
Lack of knowledge about college - shitty parents
Bias in arrests, sentencing - don’t care, stop committing crimes. This isn’t rocket science
Bias in hiring - racist quota systems set up in many institutions now. But remaining bias may also exist because all of the above is true.

[b]So how does removing advanced math[/b]/tracking fix any of that? The kids who have bad parents and/or learning disabilities will still get as good an education as the school system is capable of giving. Systemic discrimination of kids with greater learning capabilities seems like a stupid answer to problems created by perceived systemic racism.[/quote]

That’s not happening.  :roll:

But go ahead and pretend like systemic racism isn’t happening. [/quote]

VMPI was all just a dream. :) thankfully.  But the original point of the exchange was that bad parents create bad outcomes, regardless of race. That includes leaving a child to be raised by one parent. [/quote]

VMPI was never removing advanced math.

Might be tough to be a “good” parent if generations of your ancestors were blocked from becoming “good” parents. People are fundamentally good; everyone wants to be “good” parents. There are just fewer obstacles to being “good” parents for some people. 
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You are naive if you think VMPI wasn’t removing accelerated paths. I assume you knew as much and are just playing word games.

Nope. Not tough to stay with the mother or father of your child and choose to raise that child because something that happened to your grandparents. Tough to take personal responsibility to do what’s right. I wonder if Va schools are teaching the importance of two parent households, maybe that should be part of the equity model if it isn’t already. [/quote]

It was not removing accelerated paths. It always included calculus and IB as options which are accelerated paths.

You don’t know what’s in the VA FLA curriculum? You sound like an external agitator. A privileged, racist external agitator. 
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Yep you don’t know what was happening in elementary schools in FCPS.

I’m surprised it took you this long to call someone racist. Probably held it as long as you could. Do you feel better? Good. I’m not racist or privileged.

And This doesn’t change the fact that people are abandoning their children and equity measures in va schools will not fix this. Personal responsibility, regardless of race, is always an answer. [/quote]

VMPI wasn’t removing advanced math/accelerated paths.

Interesting that you are self-aware enough to recognize that your comments are racist - and you are ok with that. 
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VMPI was removing accelerated math paths.

Nope just responding to the accusation above. My comments just point out that abandoning children produces bad outcomes for children, regardless of race. The fundamental difference is where we lay blame on this tragedy. I blame the people abandoning the children. [/quote]

VMPI was not removing advanced math/acceleration. Stop lying.

If parents were never given the tools to be better parents because of systemic racism then don’t fault them fully. We, the US, has a hand in the poor outcomes. We should collectively take some responsibility.

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VMPI was going to remove accelerated paths.

Systemic racism is not the cause of fathers/mothers abandoning their kids. This is easy stuff. Its happening across the board. Single parent households have increased 5x and 10x rates in nearly every demo over the last 60 years. The state cant and shouldnt force people to be together. But poor outcomes for some children will be the result.  If you want to argue studies that reveal POC being pulled over at less rates in the evening due to the inability to profile the driver etc... maybe Ill listen, although ive heard it. But regarding systemic racism causing parents to abandon children to be raised by the remaining parent, well, we will just have to agree to disagree. Have a good day.

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[b]You are lying. [/b]VMPI was NOT removing advanced math/accelerated paths. They always included IB/AP which required school districts to accelerate.

Systemic racist is absolutely a big factor when it comes to family outcomes. You can choose ignorance but that doesn’t make it go away. 
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You really should research maximum pathing on this. Guess we can agree to disagree on that as well. Have a good day. [/quote]

I watched VMPI very closely from the start. At no point were they banning advanced math or getting rid of accelerated paths. They *always* included IB/AP as a path.

Stop pushing lies. [/quote]

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