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This argument falls apart when you look at why the kid is advanced and consider limited resources.

Your kid is most likely more “advanced” because of a disproportional distribution of limited resources from the the start of his or her life. They are advanced because they had more *advantages* than other children. Not because they are necessarily brighter or smarter. Your kid was born on third and you think he hit a triple. And so long as the system continues to set up these inequities in perpetuity, things won’t get better for the kid who keeps striking out. [/quote]

Nope, never said my kid hit a triple.  The fact remains that for a huge list of reasons some kids have a leg-up whether due to intelligence, race, or simply opportunity and right now school systems like FCPS and APS are not giving them what they equitably need because yes it does mean that for the most part the gap will never close.

I remember reading somewhere when my kids were little that a child whose parents read to them consistently from infancy had been exposed to literally hundreds of thousands more words by K than a child whose parents did not do so.  Some show up reading early chapter books, other kids don't even know all their letters.  Guess what, those kids aren't getting reading groups with the same amount of time and instruction during the week that meet them where they are.

That's not equity no matter how much you want it to be.  You're trying to fix societal inequity by dumbing down the classroom.[/quote]

No one is dumbing down the classroom. That’s a trope. The purpose of public education, though, is to meet a baseline for an educated population. So naturally, the focus will be on those who struggle. This was articulated very clearly in “No child left behind.” (The rhetoric, not the policy). It exists as a public good. You are rent seeking for private goods — but public education has no obligation to help further advance the advanced student — the truly gifted and talented are endlessly curious and seek learning opportunities outside the classroom anyway, and the high-achiever has already cleared the baseline. As one school superintendent once explained, private school is a good option. But that isn’t the purpose of public education and never had been. [/quote]

Wow.  If effect, the goal of equity will be achieved when the higher-SES children leave the public schools.[/quote]

Which then leads to greater unequal outcomes and further perpetuates power imbalances.  The circle gets completed and the cycle renews itself.  [/quote]

Equity is not achievable.  This is clear when schools establish equity goals that pertain only to outcomes WITHIN that school or district.  But I’m many cases, the children of higher-SES parents are either NOT in that school or afforded significantly greater supports outside the school.  There’s no real way to level the playing field with children whose parents are willing to spend ever greater amounts of money to keep them ahead of their peers.[/quote]

The benefit of Money only can go so far, are there is a point of diminished return. Prince Harry, for example, received the most privileged education possible yet he only got 2 A-levels at a B and D. There are tones of impoverished kids in British Council estates that got better grades.

The level of equity that we should aim for is for every kid to reach their full potential so that a bright and hard working poor kids can beat a thick and lazy rich one. [/quote]

Are "bright and hard-working" poor kids the issue?  [/quote]

Bright and hard-working are white supremacist concepts[/quote]

is it impossible to measure intelligence or track hours of time spent studying?[/quote]

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