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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Undergrad prestige does NOT matter. At all. It’s been empirically proven. [b]Smart kids do well anywhere[/b], whether they’re at UMD or Stanford.

Dale and Kruger. Dale and Kruger. Dale and Kruger!!![/quote]

This is the most valid point. Very few people are saying that prestige is everything, but to act like it's nothing is ludicrous. One obvious trend that better universities generally have better students is the fact that at prestigious colleges, the vast majority of students graduate in 4 years. On the other hand, the dropout rates are much higher at non-prestigious universities, as well as the students taking longer the 4 years to graduate. I think we can all agree that students who graduate in 4 years are better students than those who take longer or drop out altogether. Thus, since students at better colleges generally graduate in a more timely manner than those at worse colleges, students at better colleges are, GENERALLY, better students.[/quote]

I forgot to add my main point about the bold. Smart kids are probably going to graduate in 4 years or less regardless of where they go. Students at more prestigious colleges tend to graduate in 4 years for the same reason they got into those colleges; they're good students. Students who got choose to go to a mediocre college when they had the qualifications to go a prestigious college are more likely to be graduate in 4 years(probably even less considering they may have a year's worth of AP credits the prestigious colleges wouldn't have accepted) from that mediocre college for the same reason they could've gone to a prestigious college; they're good students. However, students who go to mediocre colleges because they didn't have the option of going anywhere better are more likely to drop out or taking longer to graduate for the same reason they couldn't get into anywhere better; they not good students.[/quote]

You’re mixing correlation with causation.

A major reason kids don’t graduate in 4 years/drop out is finances. Parents scrape together money for year 1, maybe year 2, then they run out of options. The theme that runs through here is privilege. At top schools, students more likely have privilege and are therefore more likely to have the support to graduate on time. [/quote]

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