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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Why because I grew up poor. No food. And while college is expensive it is worth every dime in my opinion. Not saying anyone needs to go to Weslyn at $70,000 or USC etc. Perfectly fine to go to community college then state four year and then grad school or law school or med school or MS in textiles I don't care. No substitute for opening your mind. Conservatives or MAGA do not comment on this part you are too stupid to know better. [b]Would I allow my kids to major in philosophy or art history nope not on my dime[/b]? But they could on theirs and I would not be mad. Because then it is a passion and they would work to make a career. At this point we could afford any college easily we are very lucky. Education got me out of poverty. And no one can take it away. [/quote] I don't understand this. The philosophy majors I know (and I was one) have done very well, even without going to grad school. The major is rigorous and really teaches you how to think through a problem -- skills that are valued at any workplace. [/quote] Alternatively: the people major in philosophy are smarter and more curious than the norm, and underperform vis-a-vis students with the same talent who apply themselves to more practical majors.[/quote] In my opinion, it’s fair to think about ROI, but not reasonable to crush great kids’ dreams or assume as a given that certain majors are always better for all kids. If, say, a kid has a 4.0 UW GPA and 800s on the SATs, and is going to Columbia, that kid’s earned a chance to major in philosophy, if that’s what the kid loves. It’s insane to push kids who are great at the humanities it so so at math to major in STEM at top schools. And parents who haven’t ever taken a STEM class at a top school have no standing whatsoever to push kids into tough university STEM classes or complain about their kids’ T30 university STEM grades. I see parents here who probably went to some crappy school getting upset about their kids getting C’s in STEM classes at T30 schools. I doubt those parents have any idea how hard it is to pass a STEM class for majors at a T30 school. It’s fine to encourage a philosophy major to think about resume-building activities and student jobs. [b]But it’s absurd to try to force a natural born English major to major in engineering. [/b] Another problem is that the ROI Only parents seem to be completely oblivious to the existence of ups and downs in the job market. They obsess about CS degrees, even for kids with no interest in computers, without seeing that today’s hot degree could be tomorrow’s dog. [/quote] No, it's not. You really have to be at the tippy top 1% of English majors to make anywhere near the median CS major. [/quote]
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