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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Do they go the extra mile?  Do they love to learn?  Are they scholarly with a natural gift for academic pursuits?  Are they engaged deeply and for a sustained period ( years) with ECs of interest?  Are they distinguished participants in those ECs?  Are they a real standout in a particular discipline?

Unless they have some hook, that is the type of candidate they are up against to gain admittance at top universities.  Top grades and scores are not enough....all the applicants admitted have that.[/quote]
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I have said in this board before that there is a difference between a high academically performing kid and a truly gifted child. Intellectual curiosity, unique interests, superior performance in a specific area need to be demonstrated.[/quote]

" Intellectual curiosity, unique interests, superior performance in a specific area need to be demonstrated." - Not ALL accepted HYPSM kids truly have these traits. Many extrapolate what they do. There is NO validation/verification done by the schools. I understand it's hard to do that for every applicant. But once they have shortlisted, they can atleast spot check one per every 100 application or something like that. Atleast the schools can verify the few things in the application that they considered for admission. This "holistic" approach truly benefits only a small percentage. There are a lot that just game the system. [/quote]

Not really.   Why would a system gamer want to go those schools anyway?[/quote]

one example of gaming the system - starting a charity organization or a tutoring agency. the website will talk have pics, info, etc projecting as if the org is doing amazing things but in reality it's not. And their essays will talk a lot about these amazing things which wouldn't have happened in that magnitude in reality. I personally know 3 such kids. 2 got into Princeton and 1 to Harvard. They are academically high achieving kids for sure but not as heavily involved in community service / leadership which they claim to be in their LinkedIn profile and their charity/tutoring websites.[/quote]

Silly.. are they going to game the system for the 4 years they are there as well?  Waste if a college education.[/quote]

NP: yes, you are naïve. There are many kids that game the system because they want to attend top schools like Harvard for social capital.
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Some...don't really think there are that many that successfully game the system   if you don't have that hook to get in, you better bring it to have a shot at admittance.

And it's not exactly a picnic when you get there so what is the point if you are unprepared to take advantage if you get that acceptance?[/quote]

PP you are missing a point. Who said they are unprepared? They are all academically strong kids, but they lie about their ECs to standout. Because colleges want that - STANDOUT - but NO VALIDATION OR VERIFICATION. [/quote]

Again...lying and cheating have a way of catching up to a student at a place like hypsm.[/quote]

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