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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]There should be sped schools, the way they have AAP centers.[/quote]
Least Restrictive Environment be like: do I mean nothing to you?[/quote]

But what about the rights of the other students to learn? [/quote]

They are still learning… it may not be at the pace you want but that isn’t specified by law. Admin and teachers have to follow the law before the needs of the the other kids. Sorry, it is what it is. You should lobby for more flexibility for students to be transferred to other programs/schools; because now, it is virtually impossible to do that without SPED parents suing the district.[/quote]
+1 Hey, more opportunity to tell people about the law!!

Schools only must provide a “serviceable Chevrolet,” not a Cadillac, to afford a student a free appropriate public education (FAPE). The analogy is often associated with the seminal U.S. Supreme Court case known as Rowley, which said that public education requires only a “basic floor of opportunity,” not that schools “maximize” a child’s educational potential. The “Chevy vs. Cadillac” analogy was coined and used by lower courts after Rowley, and suggests that schools need only provide a bare minimum of services to afford a student FAPE.[/quote]

I know about the law, but I do think that schools should maximize a child's educational potential. If that isn't the goal, then what is the goal? The dumbing down of society to the lowest common denominator? I truly want SPED kids to succeed, but I think for society we also need the gifted and advanced kids to suceed as well. One shouldn't be at the expense of the other. Currently the parents have to put in the extra work to get their normal kids to succeed. [/quote]

There are laws for gifted services, this AAP, Honors, IB, DE, AP, etc.[/quote]

There are State laws, not Federal, and the law really doesn't do much for kids who are Advanced or Gifted. AAP is not enough for kids who are legit gifted. AAP is great for kids who are ahead in ES ad need to have a bit of a challenge but it is not a Gifted program. And AAP is inconsistent across the County.

And let's face it, many parents want to get their kids into AAP because they think that it will get them away from classroom behavior issues. Although I know people in AAP who report plenty of issues in their AAP classes. [/quote]

AAP is plenty. My son, the one with behavior issues, got sent to MS in ES for math and then he went to TJ. If your child is truly gifted, the school will accommodate them.[/quote]

Not every ES has LIV. LLIV is widely different from school to school, my kids school uses a cluster model which means that the LIV kids are getting little to nothing because the Teacher is trying to get the kids who are a grade level behind up to grade level. Many ES do nothing to promote kids up in subjects like Math, even when the kid is demonstrably ahead. I had a Teacher at my sons school question why anyone would want their kid to take Algebra in 7th grade never mind earlier. There are plenty of schools where the LIV program is not enough and a lot of that has to do with the attitudes of the Teachers and Admin at the school.

[b]We choose to stay at the base knowing that there are issues with staying there and we are fine with that decision[/b]. But there are some huge issues with AAP, how kids are admitted, and how the program is run. It has some serious flaws, just like the SPED program has issues. But there are legal requirements for SPED programs that do not exist for AAP. [/quote]

But you decided to stay at the base school knowing that the class is mixed. At center, the entire class is advanced and they further separate by abilities in math. You can't expect the mixed class to offer the same program as the center, hence why the center is different. So yes, AAP is plenty, you just have to take advantage of the opportunities. At center, the vast majority, if not all of the kids take Algebra 1 in 7th, and mine and several others went to Longfellow for Algebra 1 in 6th grade.

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