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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Ukrainians and Russians are not the same ethnic group. Slav is an umbrella term that covers.multiple ethnicities.[/quote] The thing is that there are many ethnic Russians who consider themselves Ukrainian citizens and want to keep that Ukrainian nationality and do not want to become Russian citizens. Also, the Ukrainian concept of nationality is much more inclusive - Muslim Tatars in Crimea were Ukrainian citizens as well as ethnic Russians born in Crimea. Putin has explicitly said that Ukraine does not have the right to exist as a nation. His troops assume that anyone who supports Ukrainian sovereignty, regardless of ethnicity, is a Nazi and therefore should be “cleansed”. Ethnic Russians who support the Ukrainian government have been killed. There are many ethnic Russians in Mariupol, Kharkiv, Kherson and Mykolaev. It doesn’t matter from Putin’s perspective - if they resist because they support the Ukrainian state then they are Nazis who must be cleansed from the land. He is not separating out the ethnic Russians and protecting them unless they also support Russian rule of Ukraine. [/quote] If your point is that Ukraine has citizens that aren’t ethnic Ukrainians, then the same is true about Russia. I mean North Caucasus alone has like a hundred different ethnicities and they all carry Russian passports.[/quote] No, my point isn't that Ukraine has non-ethnic Ukrainians. My point is that Putin is carrying out a cleansing based on Ukrainian nationality, not Ukrainian ethnicity. [/quote] What is a non-ethnic Ukrainian if not a Ukrainian citizen of a different ethnicity? [/quote] Again, my point isn't that Ukraine has non-ethnic Ukrainians, or as you seem to insist "Ukrainian citizens of a different ethnicity". My point is that Putin and his senior management are engaged in a strategy of genocide based on nationality, not ethnicity. All ethnicities in Ukraine that support a Ukrainian sovereign state are intended targets of the Russian Forces, and are being "cleansed," i.e. killed, forced to support Russian Forces or deported away into Russia. BTW, many of them speak Russian and are ethnically Russian, and have family members in Russia, but if they have or choose to keep Ukrainian passports and citizenship, or participate in Ukrainian governance, or want to stay in Ukraine, they are at risk of being bombed, detained, tortured, deported, disappeared or killed. [/quote]
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