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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]People who feel they disagree with Church teachings sometimes do not fully understand those teachings or the basis for them. They may see only the “headlines” but might never have been exposed to the “body” of the story. Catholic teaching is the product of millennia of divine revelation, lived experience and philosophical and theological reflection by some of the greatest minds in human history. It has been and is often mis-taught, misrepresented and distorted, both in the Church and especially in the media.

OP, I would urge you to make your return with an open mind and heart. Make an appointment with the priest and raise your concerns, one at a time. Do the reading the priest suggests. If he can’t help you, ask for a referral to someone more knowledgeable and/or do the research on your own. If you’d like, you could begin with the Catechism of the Catholic Church (a book) and branch out from there. The Catechism is dense but sets forth a great deal of background for the Church teachings, typically with reference to source documents including Scripture.

Above all, pray for light and understanding. Avoid being distracted by things that do not directly concern you in your specific circumstances.  It sometimes is interesting and stimulating to discuss and debate “issues,” but the goal of Faith is a living relationship with God in your life, in your circumstances, so that divine love can fill you and flow out of you to others. Faith is far more a matter of the heart than of intellect, but a well trained intellect can help guide the heart.

I wish you the best. [/quote]

Sounds like you've really twisted yourself up into a pretzel trying to justify your continued involvement in the Catholic Church. [/quote]

I’m sorry your interior life is so twisted that you cannot see beyond human appetites into the eternal to recognize the Church that, with all its flaws, remains the one founded by God himself. [/quote]

Um, didn't Roman Emperor Constantine start the Roman Catholic Church?  and combine it with some Roman pagan things, like Dec 25th Yule day of baby worship became Christmas, switching day of worship from Saturday to Sunday, and so forth?  [/quote]

No.  Jesus started the Catholic Church and made Saint Peter the first Pope.  Christianity was brought out of Palestine and into Rome and other places by Saint Peter and Saint Paul (born Saul).  Early Christians were persecuted and forced into hiding.  By the time Constantine became emperor, there were many Christians, including much of the Roman army, and it was probably as much a shrewd political move on his part as much as it was Divine revelation.

However, as much as you might want to talk about the Church leaders and what was set on which day, what is most interesting here are the people who were willing to have faith and endure persecution and even torture and death.  Constantine likely really only made Christianity the official religion of Rome because so many people were following it already.  The Catholic Church is, and has always been, formed by the masses of people who believe.  [/quote]

Yes, indeed -- the Catechism version![/quote]

I guess.  This is the National Geographic, the DK science, the History Channel, and the existing primary source version as well.

I am not sure where the "Constantine made up Christianity to fit with pagan beliefs" version comes from.

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really? -- maybe I'll believe that after reviewing all these sources when you post verification here on DCUM.
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What kind of verification?  I’m not an expert.  This is textbook level information.  Do you want a link to a good World History textbook?  These are the ones I have at my house.

https://www.amazon.com/History-World-Map-DK/dp/1465475850/ref=mp_s_a_1_14?adgrpid=58775005591&dchild=1&gclid=EAIaIQobChMI7q-jhNzw8gIVGInICh3SkQGzEAAYASAAEgLX1vD_BwE&hvadid=274704059015&hvdev=m&hvlocphy=9024584&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=e&hvrand=6211520679620366988&hvtargid=kwd-298678243838&hydadcr=29260_10734809&keywords=dk+world+atlas&qid=1631150213&sr=8-14

https://www.amazon.com/National-Geographic-Almanac-World-History/dp/1426213913/ref=mp_s_a_1_3?dchild=1&keywords=national+geographic+world+history+textbook&qid=1631150299&sr=8-3

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You're not an expert?  You certainly come across as one -- until references are requested for your statements.

You want to be Catholic - fine.  Leave others out of it.  The lies and the guilt trip may work with children, but not with adults.[/quote]

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