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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]It's interesting that he has such faith that our success is due to Judeo-Christian values, when it was the philosophy of John Locke and his Natural Law arguments which guaranteed full legal rights to Jews, which had been denied in many colonies prior.[/quote]

This was hashed out earlier in the thread. Judeo-Christian values do not refer to religious dogma, but the *values* which parallels the Natural Laws drawn on by John Locke, the foundational principle being that the most important rights of life, liberty, and property are are endowed onto people by "a higher power" and not by the government. This is what allows Loche to formulate the core ideals of the Englightenment, leading to the principle that governments derive their power from the ground up, willed into place by people, and therefore the concept of a constitutional government. [/quote]

Locke is so full of shit. There is nothing "natural" about law. It's manufactured. Life, liberty, property, and the pursuit of happiness are all policy choices. It's a policy choice to prefer governments that have popular support. But history is full of examples that are contrary to this supposedly "natural" law. Far from being "unalienable rights," since at least the Agricultural Revolution, alienation of life, liberty, and property has been the historical norm. Protecting these things has been the exception. I think humans should be proud of themselves for creating legal structures that protect these things. We shouldn't pretend it's the work of some natural state or higher power. That creates dangerous blind spots. It makes us more inclined to take these things for granted.  [/quote]

Okaaaaay... but it remains a fact that Locke, and not Christianity, is the foundation of the constitution made us so successful.  Natural Law was never btw a protestant notion because Natural Law is based on observing the Universe, not the Bible.  That's why natural law sometimes appeals to atheists and skeptics.

Shapiro and the right is trying to push the same story that Gingrich did: that we are exceptional because of our primarily English heritage and culture.  This is an indirect attack on people from other parts of the world, a convenient way to pursue discrimination without directly claiming white supremacy.  [/quote]

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