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Well.

[twitter]https://twitter.com/RepGregStanton/status/1272285577497452550[/twitter][/quote]

Well. That’s more than a little bit of fear mongering.  AZ current new case rate is around 150 new cases per day per million. NY at its peak was around 550 per day per million. NY is down now, but it’s because the virus burned through the vulnerable population and not as many people are showing up at the ER. Remember, most of the charts we see are on a logarithmic scale, so they don’t really reflect the scale of the disparities between places like NY & AZ.

http://www.91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?fbclid=IwAR31GHXuyL1QxPp5xKusUXXQg2e0EEpwm9_oqEadVpooHw8CusCDSmUeBPg[/quote]

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Yesterday Arizona had 315 new cases per million residents. But you're right, New York had more at their peak so everything's fine.[/quote]

I didn't say everything's fine.  I said that the tweet you quoted is misleading.  Besides, I was citing 7 day averages, which is really a more useful number. If you want to pick peak days, Arizona's peak day so far is 321 new cases per million and NY's was 587 per million.  Note this is a per capita number for the entire state, and not just NYC.  But I guess saying AZ has 54% of the new cases per day that NY did at its peak [u]per capita[/u] isn't as exciting.  If you want to look at total numbers, AZ's peak has been 2,341 new cases per day and NY's was 11,434, and NY had 646 cases [u]yesterday[/u].  But, likewise, I guess you don't get many re-tweets if you announce that AZ's new case rate has finally reached 20% of NY's peak per capita.

Finally, comparing these numbers is still apples and oranges.  AZ's positivity rate on tests is 18.83% right now, which isn't great, but at it's peak, NY rate was 41.88%.  Want to place a bet on how many cases were actually missed by testing in each state?  According to press reports, testing for patients coming into the hospital for other procedures has increased the percentage of asymptomatic and mildly symptomatic cases that are being caught.  At it's peak, NY was even testing everyone with symptoms.

AZ does need to get this under control, but the people who are circulating misleading data aren't helping that situation, they're just further eroding their credibility.

http://www.91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/?fbclid=IwAR31GHXuyL1QxPp5xKusUXXQg2e0EEpwm9_oqEadVpooHw8CusCDSmUeBPg

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a few things:
-Arizona has far less hospital beds/ICU beds per capita than NYC.  Plus NYC added all sorts of beds during the peak.  They brought in several thousand nurses and physicians from elsewhere. 
-NYC implemented MAJOR societal change with the spike.  They basically shut down the city.   Manhattan was a ghost town.  The MAJOR issue is that Arizona is doing nothing.  
Clinicians are handling things right now. It's the fact that the cases and the hospitalizations are growing daily and nothing is being done to stop them is what is alarming.

I'm the OP and my sibling who is the ER doctor is about the last sensationalistic/dramatic person on the planet.  If she/he is saying "it's getting crazy" then it's getting crazy. 
They had a single ICU open bed yesterday evening (I've been texting nightly).  That's in a major Phoenix Medical Center with 4-5 ICUs.  They're doing all sorts of things to 
get further beds (cancelling surgeries, shifting patients down in care, diverting ER admits) but again, the problem is that nothing is being done to decrease the cases from rising tomorrow, 
the next day, next week, etc. 
That is what it very, very concerning to those working in the midst of it. It's not misplaced hysteria.  [/quote]

They are obviously not taking it very seriously if they are still doing elective surgeries.  That stopped on the dmv in mid March and still is not yet taking place in md hospitals as of this week, only at surgery centers, although that will soon change.  If there is a capacity issue, they need to stop doing elective procedures that put patients in the icu.[/quote]

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