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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I believe the reason this person does not accept your point is that they are 1) Asian American who believes they are being discriminated against, and 2) believe “merit” = “test scores.” Prove me wrong.[/quote]

Read the data. They’re higher rated on academic and extracurricular ratings. What do you mean by merit?  The ability to throw a lacrosse ball?

If you don’t think Asian american applicants are disadvantaged in the process vis a vis all other groups then there is no point to trying to convince you. [/quote]

This is obvious. I am amazed by the deniers.

The Harvard case exposed it, with actual data to back it up.

The most amazing thing was those Personality scores -- interviewers gave Asian Americans the same scores on average as other groups, but admissions staff who had never met them gave them way worse scores in order to penalize them.

What a shameful scam.[/quote]

The question no one answers and people pretend they don’t understand, repeated again:

While it appears that way when you look at just Harvard and a single-digit number of other colleges, isn’t the exact opposite at 99% of all other colleges where Asian is an URM?[/quote]

False premise, wrong facts, stupid question.[/quote]

Well, when you present all those facts in such a detailed and thoughtful response, it is hard to argue.

Lol... face the truth man.  Not a false premise, DEFINITELY NOT THE WRONG FACTS, and a question you don't want to answer truthfully.[/quote]

DP. What schools are known to provide a race preference for Asian students in the admissions process?  I’m not taking about schools where Asians are under represented but schools where they receive a preference.  You seem to have the facts.  If you can provide backup I would be interested to see that. [/quote]

Here are your answers:

[quote]What schools are known to provide a race preference for Asian students in the admissions process[/quote]

All of them where Asians are URM.

[quote]I’m not taking about schools where Asians are under represented but schools where they receive a preference.[/quote]

They are the same subset.

[quote]You seem to have the facts.  If you can provide backup I would be interested to see that. [/quote]

Two answers for this one:

1. Every single college that asks for race on the common app (except the ones that state there are no racial preferences such as the UCs).  
2. The Harvard data you love to quote so much, since that is the only real data available, is proof of it.  Harvard is not the only college that works that way, as you know.

You know all this. I am certain of it.  It just makes your narrative less attractive and shows its unfair side.  Sorry about that.

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To paraphrase:  I have no proof other than my gut. [/quote]

Lol, here is where your argument is shockingly weak.

If you do not accept what I have presented, then you can only take issue with one college - Harvard.

So I guess Yale, Princeton, Brown, Columbia, Stanford and MIT don't show bias against Asians.... since your "gut" is all you have to tell you that.[/quote]

I don’t see what you’ve shown.  The numbers don’t tell you anything about HOW the numbers came to be.

As for my part, I feel pretty comfortable where I sit. The  fact that Stanford and all the Ivy League schools filed an amicus brief supporting Harvard’s admissions process, which looks similar to their process,  when combined with the fact that they see significant overlap in applicants and resulting demographics, is pretty good circumstantial evidence. Would you rather bet that Stanford looks like Harvard or that random college X gives a race preference to Asian applicants?

Even if I’m wrong, I’ve got one more school in my argument than you. You have zero. [/quote]

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