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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]DP. The bottom line is that evidence from 2000+ years ago is really hard to come by. Yet the evidence for Jesus—Paul, the Gospels, Tacitus, Josephus—is pretty darn good for the era. Some of this may be contemporary, or written a few decades afterwards by people who knew Jesus. Other sources (Tacitus, Josephus) are from disinterested parties.

Atheist pp has tried to discredit all of it, but that’s a leap in itself and she’s been forced to come up with various “what ifs ” like schizophrenia.

[b]Almost all (all?) serious scholars disagree with pp’s claim that Jesus as a person never existed. Whether you believe in his message of faith and salvation is a different matter, one of faith[/b].[/quote]

Well there's a bit more to it than that.  Without the walking on water, raising people from the dead, healing the sick and so forth with you don't have enough to build a whole religion around do you? I think that's where the difficulty arises.  In those days people accepted that these miraculous events were possible and didn't bat an eye. All the nations had gods with supernatural powers. Then came the age of reason in the 17th and 18th centuries and people started believing more in evidence before believing claims.  [/quote]

You’ve got this totally backwards. The religion is built around the message of love, forgiveness, and peace. That’s what I find compelling about Christianity. The miracles are dispensable and tangential. [/quote]

I thought it was built on Jesus is your “get out of Hell free” card. You know, you just confess or “believe” and you’re all good. Basically built on fear.

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