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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Wow, these “histories” of Oxford, Cambridge, a few Ivies, and the relationships among them are off in so many ways.  Not the least of which involve the complete failure to mention their role in reproducing/fostering ties among social elites and the early American colleges role in providing clergy (and less than successful attempts to Christianize native peoples).

But, yeah, today’s Oxbridge and HYPS have very different approaches to undergrad education.  Then again, there are different ways of being intellectual.  And most undergrads at any of these institutions neither are nor aspire to be intellectuals.  Many faculty do.[/quote]

I'm not quite sure what you're trying to say in your first paragraph.

As for the second, the two sets of schools draw from the same group of students in the respective two countries and even compete for the same graduate students at certain levels. I'm confident you haven't been a student at either. What is puzzling to me is how you seem particularly angry at comparing the American liberal arts tradition with Oxbridge. [/quote]

You’re conflating 2 different posters (maybe more).  I’ve said nothing about liberal arts.  And, yeah, it’s obvious you don’t understand what I’m saying in the first paragraph.  That’s why I felt the need to say it.  Colleges in (what would become) the UK or the US were never primarily about intellectual life.

FWIW, both of my degrees (AB/PhD) are from schools named in this post.  So your confidence is misplaced.[/quote]

I think they were saying your writing wasn't clear.[/quote]

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