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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I would guess a lot of the PP who call grooming, etc., never saw Mr. Knick Knack in concert. Yes, he's with a bunch of kids in that picture--and the parents are probably one foot out of the frame. There were always tons and tons of parents at the shows, and the shows were always in outdoor or very public arenas. [b]There is literally no way he could have touched a child inappropriately in those settings. [/b]

I actually talked to the guy a couple times with my kids nearby. I agree he's eccentric but I didn't get the creepy vibe. In one incident, he had problems with the promoter (I don't remember the details), and we said we'd vouch for him. The classic child molester would have happily taken our contact information, but he didn't--he said thanks but he'd figure it out. He also never remembered our kids' names or anything, even though we spoke to him a few different times.

I'm not disputing the charges. I'm just saying that it was NOT obvious that the guy was a sex offender.[/quote]Exacty what I’ve been trying to say. He did a horrible thing possessing child porn, but people thinking more is going to come out, because he inappropriately touched kids at shows, are going to be waiting for something that won’t happen. This poster is right, it’s impossible at one of these shows. It’s so crowded with moms, and sometimes dads, as well. [/quote]

This is not what grooming is.  You don't know what grooming is if you think it means touching kids inappropriately in public settings.  I never said he did that, I'm only saying that he had the opportunity to groom kids--and their parents--because I know what actual grooming is.[/quote]You really are like talking to a wall. We all know what grooming is, as we watch the news, also. Look at your after school teachers, coaches, family members or people that can groom with the purpose of isolating that child. I’m not sure you know what grooming is after all. It’s to gain the trust of a child over a period of time, to eventually isolate that child and harm them. 
         Mr Knick knack or any other performer isn’t babysitting your kids to you get back. The point of someone in that situation grooming would be pointless, as he’s never alone with your kid.  Uncle joe has a chance to groom and isolate your kid. [b]What Knick knack did is horrible, but grooming your kids at show, no, it would be impossible for him to do anything there[/b][/quote]

The bolded is completely contradictory.  Grooming absolutely could have happened after those shows, over time.  If you don't want to believe that, fine, but that's on you.  You really need to ask why you're so defensive around this issue.  [/quote]

There are a couple of us [i]who actually went to the shows[/i] trying to get across to you the realities of those performances.

I posted earlier that I once spoke with him over a promoter dispute and offered to vouch for him. I had three young children at the time--two girls and a boy. He politely refused our contact information and said he'd handle it himself. I also mentioned earlier that, although we spoke a few times, he never remembered my kids' names and showed no apparent interest in them after the show. He didn't ignore them--he was just concerned with packing up and leaving, like every typical performer.

Pretty pathetic grooming techniques going on there. He was caught with the photos and he may have done other stuff on his own, and I do not dispute that he's a sex offender. But nope, the shows were not the scene of the crime, at least a few years ago.

I assume you're going to come back and say "But you weren't at every single show and didn't have your eyes on his hands at all times!" and really [i]want[/i] to say that we who are giving the facts of the performances must be wracked with guilt that we brought our kids there. Nope, not at all. I've seen grooming in action, by the way, and know that it can take years and most groomers are very willing to wait. Lots of gifts, trips to the movies, and offers to help what is usually a single mom without means. I will remind you that kids aged out of Mr. Knick Knack fairly quickly. You rarely saw anyone beyond 6 years old, so the chances to develop a longterm relationship were slim.[/quote]

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