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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Let’s all go live on a commune then! That will take the stress out of our lives! No meds! [/quote]

It's better than drugging our kids. Goodness me.

I'd really love to know how some of this drug-happy parents would react if their kid ended up on meth. The funny thing is that I think most of them would be horrified (as would I). And yet..... same thing, different place it comes from, and it's fine?

There's a major lack of critical thinking here.[/quote]

It's not the same thing because my child's medication use is being closely monitored by two doctors (psych and ped) and by involved parents who make sure medication is dosed properly and teach complementary behavior modification as well. We teach him, at an age aproriate level, the benefits and risks of medication and the importance of using it properly. And he's getting it from a legal, licensed source so it's not cut with a bunch of random and dangerous crap.[/quote]

Your blind faith in the pharmaceutical industry astounds me.

You know how 50 years ago people were sending their SN kids off to different institutions to be subjected to shock therapy and other things to 'help' them? Everyone used to do that. The government suggested it, supported it. And now, we know that it was totally the wrong thing to do.

[b]I strongly believe that giving kids speed is going to be one of those thing that in 50 years people will look back at these primitive times and shake their heads at how clueless people were[/b].[/quote]

I agree with this.

How arrogant are we, to feel that our era has somehow gotten this right and that we are not repeating the mistakes of previous times, just with different names and labels?

I work with high school students.  The effects of ADHD meds longterm are disturbing.  I would never say these things in real life, though.[/quote]

You work with high school students thus [b]you can't possibly know the long-term effects[/b] - you have not seen these kids in elementary school while unmedicated/have not done longitudinal studies/ have not looked into between-group research. The only thing that you are doing right is keeping your ignorance to yourself.   [/quote]

Many of them have been on meds SINCE elementary school, so yes, the effects I see are long-term.

I notice you didn't ask what the effects are.  You don't want to know.  You have decided that meds are 100% safe and will not hear otherwise.  So who is "ignorant"?
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DP.  Please, do tell us what long-term effects you’ve observed.  This should be good.[/quote]

Not sure what long term effects she's noticed, but she isn't alone:

https://www.nytimes.com/roomfordebate/2012/06/09/fewer-prescriptions-for-adhd-less-drug-abuse/adhd-drugs-have-long-term-risks[/quote]

LOL, that was hilarious.  Give us another?[/quote]
NP. It's hilarious that there is substantial evidence that stimulants damage the nucleus accumbens in developing brains? What?[/quote]

He doesn’t cite to any science that actually supports his position.  That piece is a book promo (from seven years ago), not a discussion of scientific evidence.[/quote]

He's a physician and a psychologist. What else do you want? Who is prescribing your kid's stimulants again? Hope you're not trusting the advice of a physician or psychologist![/quote]

Ummm...he’s Leonard Sax.  Have you read his books?  I’ve read almost all of them.  He was a very bright man, gifted writer and hugely amusing, but this is not his area of specialty at all and he had not done the research or even a lot review.  He also has a particular perspective on abuse of psychiatric drugs since he spent a large portion of his early career trying out all the available psychiatric drugs in a very abusive manner before he realized that was not a great idea.  His autobiography is super interesting but I would not trust his views over that of my treating psychiatrist or the folks who actually study in this field.  I do agree that in 50-100 years, we will consider the current treatment of ADHD to be very backward.  The truth is we don’t really know what causes it or why it manifests differently in different people or why different drugs work differently for different people.  All we can do now is treat  symptoms largely through trial and error.   I expect they’ll know a lot more in 100 years and will have much better treatments.  But I live right now so we deal with what we’ve got.[/quote]
Thank you for this thoughtful educated response. I keep asking my psychiatrist about the recent developments in ADHD research, and according to her,  there are no break through or even major advancement in the field yet.[/quote]

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