Reply to $24 billion NYC public schools only accepted 7 black students (of 895) to top magnet high schoool

Forum Index » Schools and Education General Discussion

Reply to "$24 billion NYC public schools only accepted 7 black students (of 895) to top magnet high schoool"

Subject:

Emoticons





More smilies

Text Color: Font: Close Marks

[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]
um yeah.  There are poor and middle class asian kids who are getting in.  That throws out race and SES as an excuse[/quote]

Many of the Chinese kids I knew at Stuy were straight up poor by NYC standards. Their parents worked very menial jobs in Chinatown and Flushing.  Some worked to help support their families, and many took on tons of responsibility at an early age because their parents knew no English.[/quote]

My neighbor is Chinese, she was a doctor in China. She qualifies for the MPDU in MoCo because the US does not recognize her degree and she does not work as a doctor. [/quote]
For every one of those examples, there are more examples of under educated Asian immigrants working low level jobs whose kids do well in school.

Many Asian immigrants see education as a means to get out of poverty for their children (and the rest of the family), so they are heavily invested in their children's education. That's all it is. That's all it comes down to.[/quote]

If the kids getting into Stuy are from gang ridden neighborhoods with lead paint in the walls and parents with mental illness we need to clone them. [/quote]
Do you think the 45% low income students, 90% of them who are Asians live in luxury? Or do you perhaps think they also live in old buildings with lead paint on the walls?    Also, mental illness is a serious issue in the Asian community. It's just never talked about, and certainly people never seek help for it.

As for gangs, have you never heard of Chinese gangs in NYC?

http://gangstersinc.ning.com/profiles/blogs/the-deadly-battle-for-control-over-new-york-s-chinatown

When do the excuses stop?  Asian immigrants have gone through racism, desperation, gang violence and extreme poverty just as other groups have.

I am Asian American. I went to a gang infested school and grew up low income. My parents didn't speak English. Like many others, we -- the children - had to translate everything for them.. from school forms to doctors' visits.[/quote]

Wow.  I didn't know any of this, first time hearing about Asian American gangs.  However, I am willing to accept that I don't know everything about the challenges poor Asian Americans face growing up in NYC.

The question is, are you willing to accept that other ethnic groups may also face challenges--some of them rooted in longstanding historical oppression--that you don't fully grasp?[/quote]
Yes, African Americans have faced a lot of discrimination. Guess what? So have Asian Americans. So have Hispanic Americans.

I read recently about how the Japanese American farmers were interned during WWII at the behest of the White American farmers in CA because the Japanese American farmers were becoming more prosperous.  I also read about segregation in SF of Asian American students, who were not allowed to attend schools with white kids.  Asian Americans weren't allowed to own property; not allowed to become citizens.   There was mass lynching of Asians out west.

Sure, African slaves in this country were treated horribly, but Asian and Hispanic Americans too were systemically discriminated against.  How many more years have to pass before we use "slavery" as an excuse?  How do some African Americans manage to do well in life, like my neighbors who are lawyers, or those 7% of Af. Am. students at Stuy. Of course, we still have discrimination in this country. And like not too long ago, minorities have to be better than white people to prove themselves.  But constantly using excuses isn't getting anyone anywhere.

No, it's not easy. We also grew up poor. But at least African American parents know the language. Many of these Asian parents don't even speak the language, and they are also not highly educated. I know mine weren't -- ES level education.
[/quote]

I’m Asian American, please ignore this misguided person.  There is nothing to gain from comparing each minorities oppression at the hands of whites.  This person is not representing of How Asian Americans thinks. The fault lies in broken systems and discrimination. [/quote]

I'm the PPP here, and I agree not all Asians think like this the oppression Olympics superstar above.  I will say, however, that it's a common immigrant sentiment (I pulled myself up by my bootstraps, so why can't they?).

I'm also 1st gen and 1/2 black and 1/2 Asian.  I understand how the AA situation in this country is pretty radically different from anyone else's in this country, and it doesn't lend itself to easy comparison with immigrant groups.  Also, PP and others like him seem to ignore the selection bias that comes with having the personal characteristics (and luck) it takes to be able to immigrate here and start a life and raise a family--relative to those back home--even if you're poor.  This means you're comparing the best/brightest/most driven/etc. from these other countries to all African Americans, who are not here by choice.

I mean, one just has to look at outcomes for black immigrants perform relative to AAs, like the recent Nigerian boy whose been in the news this week--from a family of homeless refugees who arrived a year ago--yet he's a chess champion.  There is a serious difference between immigrants and black Americans' situation in the US, and anyone who brings up the fact that slavery was a long time ago, and therefore black Americans simply need to get over the issue and stop making excuses, is frankly not willing to think seriously about the issue.[/quote]

Options

	Disable HTML in this message
	Disable BB Code in this message
	Disable smilies in this message

Review message

Search Recent Topics Hottest Topics