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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]No one said that.
What they said was it resulted in whites and Asians from WJ competing with whites and Asians from Whitman and BCC for CES spots - leaving Barnsley for more diverse populations.[/quote]

Did the Barnsley CES program stay the same size, so that it's now just drawing from a smaller (and "more diverse") set of ES's - i.e., more spots for the ES schools that remained?  And why would the person making that assertion even care about it unless they felt that it was now harder for students at WJ-cluster ES's to get into a CES program?  If the same 28 kids from the WJ cluster who would have been Barnsley are now at CCES, what's the difference?

Of course they are arguing it's harder because they now now have to compete with "whites and Asians" rather than "more diverse populations."  [/quote]

Yes, Barnsley stayed the same size, three CES classes per grade.[/quote]

So Barnsley, with three classes/grade, went from RM, Rockville, WJ and Wheaton (17-18) to RM, Rockville and Wheaton (18-19)?  And CCES went from two classes for BCC and Whitman (17-18) to three classes for BCC, Whitman and WJ (18-19)?  So the WJ kids went from competing for three classroom's worth of spots with three other high schools, to three classroom's worth of spots with two other high schools.  Sounds great for the Wj kids, unless one thinks that competing with Whitman and BCC kids is harder than competing with RM,Rockville and Wheaton kids.  Which is exactly what the poster was arguing (and not some ridiculous offense of having a diverse program at Barnsley become even more diverse).  I'm of the view that, at the very top. there are equally very strong kids at every ES, and with the small number of kids who are offered spots, it really doesn't matter.  [b]So maybe MCPS actually created more spots by keeping Barnsley at three CES classes for the remaining clusters.  That's fine by me, and would be consistent with its stated policies.[/b][/quote]

Yup, that's exactly what they did.[/quote]

This hardly amounts to a countywide conspiracy to skew CES admissions to the under represented. [/quote]
It's a way for non W cluster students a chance at the spot because without the change and with the peer cohort criteria, they wouldn't be able to get in. If they had done universal screening without looking at the peer cohort, the representation of certain groups wouldn't have changed that much.  How do I know this... look at MCPS' own statistics in regards to test scores. Oh, I know, test scores don't tell you much, but I'm not sure what else you would look at for an academic program. Maybe how fast you could run?  My DC would've failed that one.

Call it whatever you want.  [/quote]

[b]This is rank speculation.  They aren't selecting students, then or now, based on some median test score or percentage of students at grade level.  It's based on individual qualifications.  So unless you are willing to say that NO "non W cluster students" would qualify based on his or her own test scores (which, actually, is exactly what you said), this is just a gross generalization.  Assuming three classes per grade at each regional CES, they are looking for the less than 95 students across the covered clusters. Unless you have the data for the students actually there, and students who aren't there, you can't make that assertion credibly.[/b]

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In a nutshell, yes, [b]YOU NAILED IT[/b], but don't expect many to be so rational. It's so much easier to scapegoat others for their own shortcomings.[/quote]

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