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Honey, I’m actually a lawyer, you know, the kind of person you’d hire to sue GW for all the awful crap they inflicted on you.  Except you’d have no case.[/quote]

Don't get smug. This is DCUM. We're all lawyers. [/quote]

Yeah, so why are all these rich lawyers bitching about how wronged they were by an excellent hospital?!  Once again, the entitlement is repulsive.[/quote]

So rich women should hire outside medical professionals to ensure they and their babies actually receive appropriate medical care during recovery, got it. Very Malawi. [/quote]

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if birth cost  $1000 then maybe. but for the money they are charging all hospitals should be able to afford nurseries and sufficient nursing staff.

for my first i didn't want to have my husband at birth and the nurses told me "we need him to help". what? it seems that hospitals are estimating their staffing needs based on the assumption that hundreds of thousands of free help hours will be available. and then they charge an equivalent of the some the world's most expensive hotels.[/quote]

Weird to build a model around the assumption that there are no single moms. [/quote]

Single mothers have family and friends.  What happened to, “It takes a village”?  Hospitals are left carrying the weight because people apparently don’t have the support networks they used to.  A bit similar to the predicament public schools find themselves in.[/quote]

you are insane. we don't live in huts. people move a lot and their friends don't necessarily live in the area. i don't want to burden my friends with this  and don't want to be constantly on hook to care for other people's babies .

besides, friends are not substitutes for professional services. do you friends clean your teeth, do your hair, vacuum your apartment? do you ask your friends to come to your hotel to change hotel towels? aren't they the village?

hospital bills are insanely huge - it costs more to spend a night at the hospital than to stay at NYC ritz suite for new year's eve. for that money absolutely preposterous and outrageous to expect that people bring their friends to shoulder the burden of care.[/quote]

Come back down to earth.  We’re talking about holding and changing healthy newborns.  These are not “professional services.”[/quote]

cleaning the room is also simple. should postpartum mothers and their friends do this? [/quote]

Not in between patients obviously but I honestly don’t remember anyone cleaning my postpartum room in the 3 days I was there so what’s your point?[/quote]

ok, how about taking out garbage and cooking? should we have kitchens in the room?[/quote]

Are you arguing that nurses should do that?  Because this debate is about what a nurse is supposed to help you with.  Start a new thread if you’d like to complain about the hopsital’s non-medical facilities management.[/quote]

your pony was that diapering was simple so it was not a "professional service".  but it can be very tiring and dangerous in the state mother is in.

I want my baby to be in the nursery while I am recovering and only be bought to me when I demand it. please explain why paying 30k can not cover this.[/quote]

Your insurance company paid 30K I’m guessing, not you.  Because the US health care system is ridiculous?  This is a WAY bigger issue than maternity care.[/quote]

umm, yeah, but how much did i pay for insurance over many years? overall i pay almost 10k a year (yes, a lot of it comes from my employer, but then, my salary would be greater if they didn't sink so much money into this). so yeah, i am actually paying for it, just not as a lump sum in a single day.

and even if somehow i have magically gotten the elusive free lunch here, the bottom line is that hospitals get paid enormous amounts of money and yet are cutting corners on the most basic things putting mothers and babies in danger under an infuriating guise of moral righteousness in respect to breastfeeding and baby friendliness. and you are helping them with your blaming mothers for not having top-notch social support and ridiculous insistence that too expect the hospital to take care of the baby is somehow to be spoiled.

just because there are bigger issue doesn't mean this is not a big issue (we could all perish tomorrow in a nuclear cloud - so what?). i am still waiting for your explanation on why 30k is not enough to hire sufficient number of nurses so that reliance on mother-recruited volunteers is not necessary.[/quote]

Well you’ll be waiting for a long time because that 30K tag covers tons of lab testing for the newborn and salaries for all the professionals caring for you and the equipment and their maintenace and the people who have to be on standby for actual emergencies and overhead and legal fees because people constantly use etc. etc.  I don’t pretend to understand hospital financials fully but it’s a lot more complicated that comparing it to a night at the Ritz (which at least one poster did).  [/quote]

i compared to the night at the ritz and it's a very good comparison. are you aware what goes into maintaining the quality of service and amenities at a ritz? you also need to have safety, and people on standby etc etc etc. it's not a simple operation.

besides, there are many reports where hospitals charge like $400 for a roll of toilet paper. please stop pretending that hospitals perfectly allocate their resources.[/quote]

The regulatory burden on and resulting costs incurred by hospitals and medical professionals far outweigh that on luxury hotels.  I don’t think it’s really debatable. [/quote]

on the other hand, hotels are at the most expensive locations and have much higher land costs. stop pretending that everything is simple except deciding whether recovering mother should be stuck with the baby with no help.[/quote]

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