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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I'm sorry, are we really talking about fucking shooting rattlesnakes?  Oh yeah that's what every wilderness trail and national park needs, a bunch of dumbasses armed to the teeth "for safety" in case snakes, mountain lions, bears, elk, buffalo, etc show up.  [/quote]

If you lived in Cali and there mountain lion sittings in your neighborhood (they sometimes come down from the mountains) you might think differently. They are beautiful creatures from a distance, but scary as fuck when closeby knowing what they are capable of.[/quote]

I lived in "Cali" for over ten years. I am also aware that they sometimes come into populated areas. There were mountain lion sightings where I lived, but that didn't mean they were roaming in neighborhoods in packs. Sightings are not common. There have been very few fatal attacks - I'll post a citation if you insist.

If everyone who went hiking carried a gun, it would be terrible and stupid. There are strategies for dealing with wildlife that don't involve shooting. With mountain lions you make a lot of noise and waive your arms around, making yourself look bigger.  Small children should be lifted and carried high, ideally on your shoulders.

I can't believe we are even having this conversation. If you're from the East Coast you are probably not used to the fact that there are more predators in the west.  [/quote]

That's the same advice you'll find on signpost warnings, which is useful for what not to do and not to do when there is a sighting, but not especially useful if you are actually actively being attacked.  Mountain lions are solitary, ambush predators.  Chances are won't see it until it is lunging at you.  In that case, you are supposed to fight back, to fight for your life and to use any weapon you have available whether it's a rock, stick, pocket knife or yes, a gun.  [/quote]

Again, advocating carrying a gun while hiking is so stupid as to almost not merit a response.  Bears roam through campgrounds in Yosemite, because they're used to humans and they know humans bring food.  A bear can do serious damage to a human.  Are you proposing that all visitors in Yosemite arm themselves?  That is one of the stupidest things I've heard this year, and in a year rife with stupid, that's saying a lot.

The following is direct from the website for the California Department of Fish and Wildlife:

"Mountain lion attacks on humans are rare. There have been only 16 verified mountain lion attacks on humans in California since 1890, six of them fatal. The last documented attack occurred in January, 2007, in Humboldt County."

"Statistically speaking, a person is one thousand times more likely to be struck by lightning than attacked by a mountain lion."

https://www.wildlife.ca.gov/Conservation/Mammals/Mountain-Lion

I don't know, maybe guns will help protect against lightning.  Maybe someone should look into that  :roll: [/quote]

No - it is you PP, who is giving out stupid blanket advice based on your political bias and irrational fear of inanimate objects.  In Alaska, my uncle and his family members routinely carried a shotgun in case of bear attacks in many areas.

Is the OC the same as Alaska?  Doubtedly.   Is heavily-traversed Yosemite?  Also doubtful.

But you cannot make stupid generalizations about every wilderness environment. There are times when personal protection is prudent.[/quote]

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