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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Because he was dangerous and needed to be subdued. Why wouldn't someone understand that? [/quote]

Specifically how was he dangerous? There are 1000s of people experiencing mental health and/or substance abuses crises in NYC and other large cities. Most are a danger to themselves only. He was apparently in the chokehold for 15 minutes. That's a lifetime. Cops and EMTs could have been called and passengers could have gotten off at the next stop and alerted the driver. Several male passengers could have tried to subdue him at once until help came. Does everyone have carte blanche now to kill people they perceive as dangerous? Because if that's the case, don't venture into cities or onto subways.[/quote]

It seems likely that the use of force was excessive. We need more information about why he was perceived as a threat.

[b]Tell me, were you this upset when Michelle Go was pushed onto the tracks to her death for no reason?[/b][/quote]

+1 or about the woman who lost an eye?[/quote]

Of course that was upsetting. But in this particular case, there is no indication that the guy was going to push anyone in front of the train. He was ON the train. [b]Anyone who has lived in a city has encountered people--on subway trains and off--who are clearly mentally ill and acting weird. As a woman, I try to get off the train as soon as I can or I move to the other side of the car I am in. [/b]When you take public transportation, you will eventually encounter high people, mentally ill people, homeless people, weird-looking people, etc. It comes with the territory. [/quote]

And if you’ve lived in a city and taken the subway, you know that sometimes it’s not always possible to exit your subway car when some nut job starts acting crazy or violent. The best you can do is try to inch away, pray the doors open soon, or pray there is a big guy in the car who will take on the crazy man.
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You can text 911. I have done it and they got the man off the train at the next stop. [/quote]

That doesn’t help in an immediate threat. Which multiple people felt this was in this situation. So spare us what you would have done in a situation you weren’t in.[/quote]

What was the immediate threat here? I’ve ridden on DC metro for years as someone who only recently got a car, and I’ve been in these situations MULTIPLE times and now that we can text 911 this is what I have done. Why let it escalate until someone is attacked? [/quote]
The immediate threat was that Neely was lunging at people.    Witnesses said he came within 6 inches of a woman with a very young child in a stroller.
If a homeless guy was screaming that "someone is going to die today" while  lunging at your child, [b]would you just be calming texting 911 and waiting[/b]?  Would you be grateful if someone stepped in and stopped the guy from getting inches away from your child?[/quote]

Yes. That’s what I did. Highly effective hence my strong recommendation to do so.

You go ahead and try to get a homeless lunatic in a headlock though. 🙃🙃🙃[/quote]

Nobody needs to follow your advice for the one situation that it worked out. Every situation is different and people will act accordingly.[/quote]

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