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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]I read the Politico piece.  Reade has no credibility.  That along with the timing is too much for me to believe her. If she was concerned about him being a leader, when he ran for VP would have been the time to come out.[/quote]

Huh.  Does it bother you when other women wait decades to allege sexual assault?  Or just Reade?[/quote]

DP. You need to read the Politico piece, and the NPR piece. They’re about how she was fired from her Senate job for poor performance, nothing else. They're about how she ripped off people who were kind to her for decades.

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And that has exactly what to do with a sexual assault?  Are you the kind of person who discredits and dismisses hair stylists, strippers, waitresses, low-income women who might be down on their luck or come from less-than-ideal circumstances - if they dare to come forward after sexual assault?

Not a good look.  [/quote]

Do you really not see the difference between (a) direct accounts from people who knew her who say she did not tell the truth in dealings with them, and (b) jackasses who respond to sexual assault allegations with "What was she wearing?" "Was she drunk?" "Why did she meet with him  ?" or any of the other ways that rape apologists say that a woman was asking for it?

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The point, which you keep dancing around, is that for decades we've been told that not only does it not matter what an accuser was [b]wearing, doing, drinking[/b] at the time of the alleged assault, but her (or his) personal life, trustworthiness, etc. should have NO bearing on whether or not s/he was actually assaulted.  This is what victim advocates have preached for years and years and years.  So here we have a classic example in which to practice what you preach.  An imperfect woman with a fairly sketchy history - who claims she was sexually assaulted by Joe Biden.  None of the rest should matter, right?  Isn't that what you've always said?  Yes, yes it is.   :roll: [/quote]

DP. You seem to have comprehension problems. Or you hate women, it’s hard to tell.

The point you don’t want to understand is that a serial liar—a serial liar with an ever-changing story, no less—is very different from a woman who was attacked while amusing herself by drinking or dancing.

Stop with the sleazy and dishonest misrepresentation of victims advocates. They don’t claim that serial liars should automatically be believed. They do advocate for women who were amusing themselves innocently, say at a bar. If you can’t see the difference, you’re a poor excuse for a human being.[/quote]

Nope.  Wrong.  Serial liars can also be sexually assaulted.  That you're denying that only makes *you* look sleazy, dishonest, and women-hating.  Oh, and a poor excuse for a human being.  Gotta cover all those clichés.  [/quote]

And here we have the standard problem that is destroying our current system.  Both parties are getting polarized and extreme.  Ideologues deal in black and whites and do exactly what you are both doing, lambast and criticize someone who doesn't believe fully in what you argue.

You have the progressive ideologues who have always insisted that #BelieveAllWomen means that you believe their story, don't question their background, motives, actions.  They blindly believe any accusation; they believe that in order to protect all victims, you always believe the victim.  They don't care about the collateral damage of the innocent who were falsely accused.  They think that's the price that men have to pay to insure the protection of the victims.  If left to them, the Duke lacrosse team would have had their lives destroyed by Crystal Magnum.

Then you have the other side, the ultra-conservative idealogues who believe that you should grill the victim to the point that she questions whether her assault actually occurs.  If a woman can't withstand questioning that borders on Geneva violations, and still maintain her story, then she must be lying.  They feel that a victim needs to be absolutely angelic with no flaws in her past before she becomes credible.  They don't care if victims are destroyed and need a 100% case before an accuser will have to face the music.

Frankly, as the Democratic primary showed, the moderate/Independent category is now the largest segment of the voting public.  More and more of the country is being driven away by the progressive and ultra-conservatives.  Estimates are the the exteme wings are each now less than 30% of voting citizens and the moderate middle is well over 40%.  And the moderates want a middle gray zone that is neither black nor white.  Most of the middle things that women should be heard, respectfully investigated and each situation should be handled on a case-by-case basis on the merits of the arguments.  My interpretation (and others may feel differently) is that her background, motives, what she was wearing do not matter.  However, questioning her integrity, whether she has a history of lying, deceit and dishonesty is extremely valid and relevant.   Whether her story is only her testimony in a he-said-she-said story or whether she has external corrobation and confirmation are relevant.

I think that the country is sick and tired of the partisan politics that began with the rise of the Tea Party starting in 2009 and the death of the moderate wings of both parties that happened in the 2010 midterms.  That was when Congress, which had only some functionality became literally a do-nothing Congress.  Now, with the exception of emergencies like the current one, only a party that has control of both chambers can get anything done and anything they do get done is extremely partisan and lopsided and only benefits that party's constituency.  We need a return to compromise politics and that is not happening until we get certain key politicians out of office, namely Trump, McConnell and Pelosi, all of whom are major parts of our current problems.  None of them care about actually getting business done for the country and the citizens.  They only care about advancing the power of their respective parties.  Party politics needs to be replaced with national politics and return to government of the people, by the people, and for the people.[/quote]

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