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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]During the pandemic all these downtown businesses got lavish bailouts like PPP, etc. And now years later they still want even more subsidies? The world has moved on and nobody with a computer needs to commute anymore. Time for these laggards to adjust, or else we should also bring back the horse and carriage industry - fair is fair.[/quote]

Let me try this..

"During the pandemic these downtown workers got extreme flexibilities to stay at home and even got checks in the mail from the government with no strings attached.  And now years later they still want these benefits?  The world has moved on and there is no need to stay separated at home anymore.  Time for people to adjust, or else we should all keep movie theaters and restaurants and churches closed- fair is fair."[/quote]

Here, lets try this:

Workers in the US and around the world have effectively shown that they can successfully work from home.  It isn't employees responsibility to support failing businesses who refuse to change their business model to reflect the changes.  Likewise, some people have immune compromised family members and forcing them back into the office, can greatly impact that family members health.  If an employee is under preforming, they should be terminated.[/quote]

NP. I disagree with your premise. WFH 100% was an extreme struggle in the beginning, then we limped along and eventually got better at it. But then as time wore on, it got harder again. New employees came on and basically crashed and burned. They had no contacts, couldn't reach people, couldn't get their work done and didn't integrate well. People just don't network well remotely. Almost 4 years later, about 30% of our office is new hires since 2020. We don't have adequate fed collaboration tools. And the ones we do have? They're FOIAable. Who wants new reporters reading every chat they wrote to coworkers?

Fed managers also have pretty much no tools to get their employees to get their work done remotely. I did put people on PIPs but it was a full time job. Whereas in person PIPs are much easier to manage. Fed managers can't see if their employees are working. We often have long term deliverables. Bob says he's working SO hard (and even shows a few docs/pages complete)! But then completely drops the ball and you don't find out until certain drafts are due.

So to say that feds should RTO, it's not the same as private sector RTO. Private sector can fire very easily. [/quote]

As a federal manager I agree completely. Before the pandemic my team was in the office together 3 days a week and seemed really happy with 2 days at home, now I can barely get them in one day a week and [b]it's extremely hard to get things done together or manage everyone. [/b]New people are joining and quitting quickly and asking why no one is around to train or mentor them. If I could I would reinstate everyone's 2019 telework agreement but leadership says that's not allowed.[/quote]

examples please. [/quote]

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