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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Yall need to read this. These homes have no business being in Malibu and they do not need our sympathy.

https://longreads.com/2018/12/04/the-case-for-letting-malibu-burn/

When most of us build or buy a home, we carefully appraise the neighborhood. In Malibu the neighborhood is fire. Fire that revisits the coastal mountains several times a decade. In the past sixty years, ten of these frequent events have turned into all-consuming firestorms. The latest conflagration, the Woolsey Fire, has incinerated 1,500 homes and killed at least three people. It started in dry grasslands just south of Simi Valley, the site of the notorious trial of Rodney King’s assailants, then crossed a freeway to ignite dense coastal sage vegetation on the northern flank of the Santa Monica Mountains. The range’s deep canyons, perfectly aligned with the seasonal Santa Ana Winds, once again as bellows, accelerating the fire’s rush to the coast where it burned beach homes. The large number of residences lost attests not only to the ferocity of the conflagration but also to the amount of new construction since the 1993 firestorm.

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You’ll forgive me if I am not immediately ready to embrace Mike Davis as truth teller in view of his extremely messy personal life, history of suspiciously self-beneficial political action, and self-description as a “critical geography Marxist.”

Doesn’t anybody on DCUM exercise even the slightest critical thought any more? Or do you just believe any random link that gets thrown up here?

Consider sources, PP. Consider sources. I’m willing to bet you’d never even heard of Mike Davis before you shared that link. [/quote]
DCUM seems to be overrun with science deniers and people unwilling to use critical thinking. They just peck away relentlessly with misinformation and insults. People that care about facts eventually give up because it’s exhausting. [/quote]

I'm sure you are one of the people who called several of us "science deniers" during COVID, when we periodically used our actual science knowledge to criticize lock-downs, washing Amazon orders with disinfectant, closing down schools, double masking, firing people who didn't get vaccines, etc.  Now, we are supposed to listen to people spouting off about how "climate change" caused this year's fires and hurricanes.  Well, folks with actual scientific knowledge acknowledge that our current understanding of the Earth's climatic systems is extremely limited.  We've only had reasonable scientific measurements for about 40 years for many of the variables cited by lay people.  Our "proxy" measurements give limited understanding before that, and our knowledge about how systems such as wind, cloud cover, and ocean currents interact is even worse.  So, is the climate "changing"? Well, yeah, it has changed constantly throughout the Earth's history.  Do we know how it's changing?  No.  Do we know that we've caused it?  No.  Do we know how to "fix" it?  No.  Can we use human knowledge to adapt?  Yes.

I posted way up above asking for actual citations when someone asserted that climate change "causes" warming in California, higher wind speeds in California and drought in California.  And the person dismissed me as an idiot (and I'm sure, a denier).  But people who understand science should also be humble, and understand when we lack the knowledge to make causal statements.  Anyone with knowledge of the history of science should be humble.

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