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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][twitter]https://twitter.com/kimmythepooh/status/1674527485055074306[/twitter]

Facts matter. The right has "won" again on this thanks to a corrupt court and the Federalist Society that has perfected gaming the system.[/quote]

Is it your belief that no Asian Americans feel aggrieved by the recent admissions practices at elite colleges and universities?[/quote]

These schools have single digit admit rates. No one is entitled to gain acceptance. The fact is, the Asian population makes up X percent of the US population. Asian students make up X+++ at these elite schools. They are already oversampled. Do you think the student bodies should just be all Asian students?[/quote]

You didn't answer my question.

To answer yours, no.

By your logic, African-Americas are also "oversampled" in the Harvard student body. Weird.[/quote]

Yes, I believe there are Asian-Americans who feel aggrieved. There are also whites, blacks, women, gays, lesbians and others who feel aggrieved too. Tons of kids who worked their tails off and were certainly qualified to be considered for schools like Harvard. But a manufactured lawsuit that complains about a fictional "less deserving black student" over the more deserving Asian student is ridiculous. [/quote]

[b]So a black son of a biglaw partner from from McClean is more deserving than an Asian daughter of poor, recent immigrants with better stats?[/b]

These policies were on a path toward creating a class within a class wherein privileged black kids had their places essentially secured at these elite schools by dint of their privilege with numbers that were incomparable to their similarly (though not exactly the same) privileged peers. Similarly enough, these educated professional class types were also the chief beneficiaries reaping the largess flowing from BLM and DEI initiatives while leaving everybody in the hood still poor and downtrodden and settling in their wealthy enclaves with other elites.

These institutions wanted to have their cake and eat it too. Wanted to keep "acceptable" diversity figures, while keeping a sufficient quotient of full-pay students and keeping minority retention/attrition rates from looking like a complete mockery AND pretending that they are doing the lord's work by throwing a kid from the trenches a scholarship every now and then.  They should just own that they are instruments for the perpetuation of generational privilege and keep the song and dance.

Surely these games are not the answer. [/quote]

You all keep citing this one example. My response, I don't know, I am not in the admissions office and not responsible for the composition of a class of incoming students. What I do know, having two kids very recently gone through the college admissions process, is that the schools weigh many factors into each applicant - can they do the work, what in their background makes them a unique applicant, what will they study? What does our school need in terms of students who will contribute to the school community, be it as a writer for a student newspaper, an actor, a musician, an athlete, whatever. So I don't know anything beyond what you have posted that is bolded. Assuming both students scored well enough (your scenario says the Asian student has better stats) - maybe the Asian student wants to go into engineering and the stats for that are not the same as the African-American applicant, who in addition to stats that are good enough for the school, also plans to major in English, has won writing awards, and also plans to continue their acting career in the school's theater department? Whereas the Asian student comes from a less advantaged background, has good stats, never worked a job, didn't do much otherwise in terms of extracurriculars etc.

See the dilemma these schools face? Provide more context for both students AND the school, and then we can play the game. In fact, this is an exercise my kids school does with the parents of juniors early in junior year, so parents can understand what the Admissions officers are up against with these applications.

As others have noted in the college thread over the last several years, with grade inflation, the watering down of the SAT etc, the fact is, there are tens of thousands of "good" students with "strong stats" and tons of awesome extracurriculars and volunteer service. All of that is good enough to get tossed into a viable admissions pool, so you go from the 50,000 applications down to 12,000 applications for the same 2,000 spots. From there it is a whole host of non-academic considerations.

And still, there are more Asians relative to the general population and fewer blacks relative to the general population.

Now, post SCOTUS decision, I am willing to bet that neither of the applicants you note, will gain admission to these schools. Oh well.[/quote]

It's not just one example though. Most of the black kids at elite schools are either this profile (parents perhaps beneficiaries of AA in the 70's and 80's and doing well now) or children of African/Caribbean immigrants (a whole different debate). Yes there are also first gen or "adversity" students but they are a small part of the demo on these campuses.[/quote]

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