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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]As with many complex phenomena, it's obviously a combination of systemic failures and individual choices. We can't really control things like subsidies to the junk food industrial complex, but we do have some control over our individual choices. That is the point. When you go to a Super Walmart and spend your money on soda, that's a choice.[/quote]

Yes, exactly.  It's many things, but the only one we can control is what we eat.[/quote]

What we eat, by carefully weighing and measuring it all, to make sure we are inside of the narrow band of allowable calories that will maintain a healthy weight, despite the signals from your body that that's not enough, because that's what your hunger hormones are telling you. The level of control required of weight loss maintainers is significant. [/quote]

[b]You cannot claim that all obese people have hormones telling them they are hungry all the time.  [/B]It is well known that many overweight people eat for emotional reasons - not because they are hungry.  Stress, anxiety, relationships, kids, work, depression, etc.  Go to any weight loss forum and you will hear people that eat because it makes them psychologically feel better, food is their best friend.  They eat well past the point of being satisfied from a physiological perspective.  They are feeding emotional needs.

That is why we also need more available mental health treatments in this country.  [/quote]

The extraordinary results from the semaglutide clinical trials and associated reported experiential data from those trials seems to indicate you are abjectly wrong about the bolded.

Semaglutide and drugs like it make obese people not hungry. This has been shown robustly, in multiple studies. How on earth people like you can continue to ignore all scientific reality to make obesity some personal failing or mental health issue when we have this solid data is beyond me, but you or one of your buddies on this thread have already stated that you have no interest in actual science so I guess ignorance is your preferred state. [/quote]

+1 this drug has handily disproven any myth that obese people are obese, at median, because they are eating for fun or pain and not due to hunger cues. [/quote]

Smoking also suppresses your appetite.  What is your point?

It still doesn't mean that people shouldn't focus on healthy eating and living to maintain a healthy weight and avoid obesity.  You want to just throw away that message and send everyone straight to drugs? [/quote]

Yes, but only because the drugs cure obesity and that message, even when offered as individualized nutritional counseling, failed to, any time it was studied. If it worked I’d be all for it! [/quote]

It is not bad advice for anyone, no matter age or shape or fitness, to eat healthy and move more!

If it doesn't work and you still become obese, great there are drugs and surgery.

But that doesn't mean that promoting a healthy diet and lifestyle are "shaming," which was the original point.[/quote]

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