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Yes teachers are just like doctors what with all the respect, support and money they get from society. Everyone wants someone else to make the sacrifice for them, but god forbid Larla has to be sad and her parents have to sacrifice for her. [/quote]

I'd say teachers get more respect and money than supermarket workers. And yet the latter are doing their jobs despite some risk.[/quote]

Retail workers, home health care aides, other medical workers who aren't doctors, bus drivers, delivery people, construction workers, truck drivers, warehouse workers, food manufacturing workers, building services workers, mail carriers...

And it's not about Larla's sadness, or at least not only about Larla's sadness (though mental health is also a public-health factor, just like covid). It's about Larla's education.

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So you think that teachers should be treated like delivery people, truck drivers, or warehouse workers? None of those jobs require prolonged exposure to other people in a small enclosed space, day after day. None of those jobs require them to literally touch other people's bodily fluids, except home health aides. They also don't require any formal education at all. I'm sorry, I didn't work my way through undergrad and graduate school to be fold sweaters or stock shelves in a supermarket. Forgive all our student loans and just throw us in the building with the kids and I'll keep them alive, then. They can watch movies, color, whatever they want. Either I'm a babysitter or I'm an educator. I'm not both. [/quote]

DP (and the one who said that other essential workers haven’t complained this way):

-There are many, many essential workers who absolutely are in small enclosed spaces with *other adults* (aka the ones most likely to spread COVID) all day
-Stop looking down on people who have less education than you
-You can’t teach people while providing care?  Really?  Inherent in the job of teaching children, especially young ones, is providing oversight.  Is the issue that you think you’re better than a “babysitter”?
-I really hope you can develop more appreciation for the emotional work of teaching.  Part of the reason I respect (some) teachers so highly is because they get how important their role is.  They don’t haughtily describe themselves as “educators” only and ignore the very real emotional care they provide to children[/quote]
And I only respect some parents. Some of them just can’t be bothered to do any work at all with their children (the majority of my class) and are angry that they’ve lost their free full time care. I don’t think they’re doing their job supporting the emotional or educational needs of their children, which is an enormous personal failure on their part. We absolutely will not be pushed back to the classroom under unsafe conditions. We’ve worked hard for our rights and we aren’t going to sacrifice them to make your life easier. 
You assume that you can tell me that you don’t respect me, and then turn around and say that I don’t value other people’s work. You don’t see the irony there? Good luck treating teachers like they owe you a place to deposit your child 5 days a week during a pandemic. They don’t. [/quote]

Not a teacher and I totally agree.  I think the same people on here and on FB who bitch and moan about schools JUST HAVE to be open have the financial privilege and job security to keep their kids home but they just don't want bothered. [/quote]

Seems pretty entitled on the part of a teacher to expect the parents to do a good part of their job, which is what it amounts to when you deal with young elementary students. The "virtual" teacher is pretty much useless, and what I am doing is homeschooling. And frankly, that's what I'll likely do if we have DL.[/quote]

Yup, I’m expected to continue to perform all of my duties and responsibilities while working at home.  I can’t tell someone else to pick up the slack.[/quote]

That's what parenting is. You want a teacher to risk their life or the life of their family member so you can get your work done? What on earth is wrong with you people? Also keep in mind that teenagers are more like adults in their ability to catch and spread the illness so all the high school teachers are dealing with a different situation. Can't we just band together, do our best and thank our lucky effing stars that kids dont' seem to be dying of this? [/quote]

DP. No, parenting does not require a willingness to homeschool, which doesn't work for most parents or kids. That's why we have public schools. Yes, I expect teachers to do their jobs, not primarily for my sake but for my kids' sake, for whom DL is a pale substitute to actual school. Unless, of course, the teachers are actually at high risk, in which case they should be offered the option to teach DL to those kids who are also high-risk, or whose parents have other reasons not to send them back. Or they should get retirement incentives, career change support, etc. But to expect that they should keep receiving the same benefits while parents serve as their substitutes or assistants is just entitled. It was fine for a few months while everyone was dumbfounded by an unexpected pandemic, but it is not fine for potentially another year or years. What on earth is wrong with you people thinking we could keep kids out of school for this long?[/quote]

Parenting DOES require you to oftentimes experience trials or discomfort to assist them. That's the WHOLE job. No one doesn't expect teachers to do their jobs I just don't expect them to die for their jobs. Not wanting to die teaching is NOT entitled. Wanting people to potentially experience a life altering illness or die so your child doesn't miss one year of school is entitled - super entitled. Life is long, kids are adaptable (except for your little darlings apparently) if they need to repeat a year then they repeat a year. You get to have them home for another year before they go to college and save for another year. This is a global pandemic. If we don't get this right people, thousands will literally die. What on earth is wrong with you people thinking that your child's education is more important than someone else's life? Where is your soul? [/quote]

You are trying to personalize this, and twist the call to re-open schools into the moral failure of the suburban moms on DCUM. But the issue is much bigger than this. We are not just talking about the loss of education for mine or some other poster’s kid, but for tens of millions across the country. It is a question both of public health and of bioethics. How many lives would we need to save in order to justify depriving millions of kids of their education for a year? How many lives saved would justify the harms inflicted on so many kids, as well as on their families’ livelihoods? I don’t think your cavalier dismissal that those harms even exist or that they don’t matter in the face of even a single death is going to be taken seriously by any expert in the field. There are no easy answers, but trying to brand the parents who question the justifications and wisdo
m of widespread and indefinite school closures as morally deficient is definitely not helpful to any serious discussion of this complex issue.[/quote]

OK, then let's think of it this way: How many people would you be willing to have die in your extended family to ensure that kids could go back to school? One? Two? Would it be worth it?  If your answer is "zero" then you have no moral leg to stand on in making your argument. Because that means you'd be willing to sacrifice other people's family members but not your own.[/quote]

EXACTLY.  But you won't get a real answer.  You'll either get an ignorant pithy one-liner that tries and fails to be clever or pages of nonsense trying to justify their odious, selfish position.  "It won't happen to me or mine and I've got mine, so screw everybody else."  Of course, there's no way to know that it won't happen to them or theirs, but they'll just keep repeating it to themselves anyway.  Delusional.[/quote]

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