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And 13 things are regular staples. I’d be fine blocking candy and soft drinks from purchases.  I don’t have a problem with frozen novelties or snacks or cookies. [/quote]

You should care.  24% of low income kids are obese, not just overweight, but obese. Compared to 10% obesity rate of kids not low income.  It’s because they are and they are over consuming junk food, by a lot. Snap is given specifically to buy heathy foods and it’s being used to purchase junk.

This is an old article.  Obesity rate has increased from 20% to 24% since 2015

https://www.ers.usda.gov/amber-waves/2015/december/gap-in-obesity-rates-between-low-and-high-income-children-widens-with-age

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This thread is about SNAP being cut off. Can you stop? Do you think people should starve because they aren't buying food you approve? [/quote]

You think people consuming 200% of the calories their body needs are at risk for starving? [/quote]

Fat people still have to eat, and yes they can starve. What is wrong with you?[/quote]

Of course, but less food.  You think people receiving snap can buy zero food at all without snap? [/quote]

And they be even more likely to buy crap food because it is cheap! They’re not going to buy ground beef or milk like they do now.

They’re going to buy ramen packs and other cheap crap. [/quote]

There are many, many heathy options that are cheap, if not cheaper than junk. People buy the junk because of convenience and preference, not price.  [/quote]
Yep, this. We’ve gone over and over this. A 10 pound bag of potatoes is $5 at Aldi. Loaded Baked potatoes make a great meal, and you can make a ton of other sides. Or potato soup. These are all things I eat btw. Dry beans and rice are cheap. You can make all kind of meals with that and various fixing. A family pack of chicken thighs is $6 at Aldi. A pork roast is around 12 and makes a ton of meat. [/quote]

And how should a family living out of their car prepare those things? Or maybe in a motel room with just a microwave? Do you have any idea how many thousands of people are in exactly those circumstance or that car living is on the rise in America? [/quote]

It's willful ignorance. They want to believe people on SNAP don't work, sit around in their free apartments, playing on their Obama phones, popping out kids, paying for manicures and tattoos, and eating junk food all day living it up on government assistance.

Idk how many times it has to be said that this welfare queen image you have is not real. It was made up to manipulate you. The Nixon and Reagan administration's are on record admitting they made it up. [/quote]

There are no people on SNAP who don’t want to work, buy or rent a stable home, better themselves, etc.  They are desperate for it in fact.

They have all, along with their kids, simply fallen on hard times or there are no suitable jobs available to them in their area.  That’s all.[/quote]

So, NBC4 DC just did a story on people on SNAP considering giving up their pets. One woman interviewed estimated she spends nearly $400 on her dog. Seriously?

I feel sorry for those who really need these benefits but something is terribly wrong when people on SNAP can afford to take on the expense of pets when you consider food, worming, flea meds, yearly vaccinations & care in case something goes wrong. 
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People have physical and emotional needs. Being poor sucks and it's lonely and isolating. Many poor people have pets for various reasons, including for their emotional health. Why do you begrudge these people any speck of happiness they may have?

No sodas, no candy, no chips, no TV, no cell phones, no car, no self care, no kids, no pets. They should just work, eat rice and beans in the dark, and die. [/quote]

I am not rich, but I am I guess middle class and a pet is really not in my budget right now. So we don’t have one. I would also love a weekly massage for self care, but I can’t afford it. Why should I subsidize someone else having a pet??[/quote]

You aren't. You pay taxes to be part of our society. You don't have a pet because you've chosen to prioritize other things. Do you honestly want to trade places with the person on SNAP whose pound puppy is the only source of love and companionship they have? You people are like toddlers, whining about the little bit someone has, when you already have everything you need. [/quote]

So I disagree with this perspective completely and I'm a liberal and have a lot of sympathy for those less fortunate.  I donate all the time.  I'm for universal healthcare and believe in contributing to the whole of society in making my community a healthy and happy one.

However..

There is such a thing called decision making and some are better than others in this skill set. So I get that everyone wants to feel loved and appreciated and love animals but if I'm on SNAP, my first priority should NOT be relying on SNAP till the end of time!  At some point I'm responsible for my own needs.  If I need help that's one thing, if I am simply making decisions to make my self feel good and use govt funds to sustain myself then I'm failing at prioritizing correctly and at decision making in general.

I fear many have an inherent prob with SNAP because so many abuse their privileges.  When you have a public system in a Democracy as rich as ours, people are going to mess up a lot and waste a lot of safety nets financially. It's a different culture elsewhere but there is such a streak of entitlement  culturally here that I'm not sure SNAP should not be completely overhauled.

I believe some will impact tragically without SNAP but a lot will be just fine.  Thankfully many states are able to provide.  We really do have a prob in US of inequality but also of waste and useless govt overreach - not everything is right with govt even as I disagree with Trump and Rep approach in managing govt functionality.  
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here's a list from a group serving people with limited ability to cook who also rely on SNAP. It's all  highly processed cheap food. This is the reality for alot of people.

Shelf-stable milk cartons (chocolate preferred)‬
‭Individual Cup of Noodles (water is only added ingredient)‬
‭Individual Mac & Cheese cups (water is only added ingredient)‬
‭Cheese or peanut butter cracker packs‬
‭Fruit cups (100% juice preferred)‬
‭Bars (granola, fruit, cereal, breakfast, protein)‬
‭Individual cups of instant oatmeal‬
‭Individual cups of cereal‬
‭100% juice boxes/pouches (no glass bottles; no soft drinks)‬
‭Prego Ready Meals, Barilla pasta entrees, Hormel Compleats‬
Chicken or tuna snack packs with crackers‬
Packets of trail mix or nuts‬
Individual beef sticks/beef jerky‬[/quote]

I grew up blue collar/working class and we ate a lot of this (not necessarily the individual packs because those cost more, but still) plus hamburger helper, progresso, campbells and honestly it was fine. I’m thankful to not need to rely on these sorts of foods any more but it also doesn’t bother me to occasionally serve my kids instant oatmeal or boxed mac and cheese or tuna.[/quote]

Same. People on this thread would ban most of this.

They want people to buy potatoes and cook dried beans.  Food banks like potatoes but they don’t like dried beans because their clients don’t know what to do with them.

They also don’t like hamburger helper because it needs meat and they don’t like boxed Mac and cheese because it needs milk and butter.

They want cans with pop lids because clients don’t have can openers and they need easy to open things for people with dexterity issues like the elderly.

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99% of people on food stamps have kitchens, have jobs, and are capable of making food.  You’re acting like everyone on food stamps is dead, blind, immobile and living in a tree stump [/quote]

Care to cite the source for this statistic?[/quote]

According to USDA, 70% have full time employment. The remaining 30% are retirees and the disabled.[/quote]

That doesn’t support 99% of people on snap have kitchens. Give us a cite for that.

There are a few million people living in cars and motel rooms.  More than a million and half kids in were homeless as of 2018 and probably more now.

There are elderly and disabled people who have mobility and dexterity issues even if they have kitchens.

That’s why food banks request lots of easy to eat crap.

These people deserve to eat too.

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Most retirees have refrigerators and microwaves, at least.  As do the 70% of people working full time.  And “disabled” is a very vague term that encompasses many abilities.  Disabled people capable of living in independently can cook simple meals.

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According to government data.  99.8% of US households have a fridge, 95% have a microwave, and 99.7% have either a cooktop, stove or range.[/quote]

NP. What's your link? I'm curious as to how they define "household" -- e.g., does a temporary stay in a fleabag motel count as a "household" for these purposes, or are they not counted?[/quote]

Multiple sources but primarily the Census Bureau.  I used ChatGPT and then double checked the source[/quote]

So you are unwilling to list what you double-checked as a link. Why?[/quote]

Because i didn't save them.  JFC[/quote]

And you have no idea what they were, just that they were links your thoroughly double-checked but completely forgot the general source that same day. Okay.

I'd bet a paycheck there is a lot left out of those numbers, and that a look at the actual data would show that. [/quote]

I'd take that bet in a heartbeat and laugh at how you're so pathetically ensconed in your algorithmic bubble that you can't discern reality from propogamda.[/quote]

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