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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Ivy League alumni who pose as anti-elite, anti-establishment, anti-intellectual, anti-expertise populists while primarily representing the interests of billionaire capitalist sociopaths are a plague that has taken over the Republican Party. Vance is phonier than Trump or Cruz or Cotton or Alito, if that is possible. It’s all a con.  They jump in front of the 200+ year old nativist and bigoted and ignorant right-wing movement and appoint themselves its leaders while turning it into a vehicle for yet more tax breaks and deregulation for the capitalist establishment. [/quote]

Don’t forget married in Hindu ceremony, recently “converted” to Catholicism (he only, not his wife and kids), and Mr Catholic’s billionaire puppetmaster is a sodomite.[/quote]

You put converted in quotation marks, implying that it was insincere and, thus, politically motivated.

[b]Who on earth thinks converting to Catholicism is a winning political move?[/b][/quote]
Speaking as a cradle catholic, converts are by and large more conservative than us. I doubt JD's church is like, say, Holy Trinity in Georgetown. I would bet my retirement account it's theologically and culturally conservative - probably lots of families with 5+ kids, homeschool/Catholic school is common, I would not be surprised if a lot of the parishioners thought Vatican II was "invalid" (a common debate at the church I grew up attending) and prefer to attend Latin Mass. I remember being told growing up that "good" Catholics voted for Republicans because of the pro-life issue*. Converts typically convert to that brand of tradcath. They rarely convert to the Joe Biden/Nancy Pelosi/Jesuit style Catholicism.

I was not the one who put "convert" in quotes, but it's weird to me that only he converted and not the wife or kids. I suspect this was done to network with and appeal to the Amy Coney Barrett style Catholics, who are a huge presence in conservatism.

*Conveniently neglecting the fact that "pro-life" also means you oppose the death penalty, which Republicans don't. Now I am pro-choice and pro-death penalty and I mostly vote Dem and I don't go to Mass, so you see how well those kinds of CCD lessons went over. [/quote]

His oldest child (only one who is school-aged) goes to Catholic school.[/quote]
I know, I saw that earlier in the thread. The kid is not Catholic unless/until baptized Catholic. I haven't been to Mass in 15 years. I am still Catholic because I was baptized Catholic. My protestant father goes to Mass with my mother every weekend. He is not Catholic and will never be until he converts. (I actually don't think he needs to be rebaptized because he is a member of a church whose baptismal rites the Vatican considers valid...it's convoluted, imo.)

JD Vance's kids can go to Catholic school and CCD but until they are baptized Catholic they aren't Catholic. this is not a knock on the kids. Frankly I think they're better off not being raised Catholic, particularly the girl. But it's weird to me only he converted and he didn't bother getting them baptized. (To my knowledge. Of course if he did, correct me.) That makes me think it's political. [b]If you really believed your church was the one true church...you'd get your kids baptized in it. [/b]For example, my mom marrying a protestant but making sure her kids were all baptized Catholic at three months old exactly.

Again this is all just conjecture from, admittedly, a very biased lapsed Catholic.[/quote]

I'm sorry, but no.  Just no.  My sibling and I were baptized when we were 11 years old - old enough to have gone through the baptismal classes at church and decided for ourselves whether we wanted to be part of the church or not.  We chose to be - we didn't have it foisted on us as infants.  In addition, Vance's wife is Hindu.  They obviously aren't going to force their kids to be one or the other - most likely, as in many mixed-religion marriages - they will allow their kids to make their own choices as they grow older.  You have a very narrow view - there is not one "right" way to go about any of this.   :roll: [/quote]

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