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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]wow this is crazy, you can be the 4th lowest decile aa and still be way above asians. crazy no wonder asians feel discriminated

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Standardized tests are culturally biased and we're originally implemented by a racist.

If the index was normalized for tests, this alleged disparity ( SFFA is the source of this massaged data) would be much lower.

Anyways, the SAT / ACT impact will continue to diminish over time.[/quote]

What are Asians and Whites in common but so much different for Blacks? culturally

What biase are we talking about?  [/quote]

What?  :?:  :shock:  :shock: [/quote]
DP.. apparently, SATs are culturally bias, hence Black people score lower on SATs.   But since Asian Americans score higher on SATs that must mean that they have more in common with white people.

That's the argument.  And yes, it's laughable and ignorant.[/quote]

Then what is your reason for AA people scoring lower?

Go ahead, say it out loud.  I dare you.  You know you think it. Have some courage and show everyone what you really think.

And that, right there, ladies and gents, is why colleges have the current policy.[/quote]

not PP, but my guess is that they care less about education and put less effort.
Culturally they may value more in succeeding in the areas such as sports or  entertainment industry like being a rapper or singer which are all ok. Nothing is wrong with that.

However if you want to improve on the education area, you have to go to the source of the problema and support and aid them to care more and put more effort in education instead of forcing it to increase the numbers artificially.

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You actually did say it out loud!  I am shocked!  There it is, folks...  your open racism of the day.  Hope it is the last one you hear today, but unfortunately we are likely to get more.

PP you disgust me.  You are repulsive.  And also an imbecile.  "Educate them more, but don't let them into the best colleges!"  Lol.   [/quote]

Why are you mad??

The reason is simple on the surface, you care less and put less effort = lower score.
You care more and put more effort = higher score.

It's most likely a cultural thing. Asians probably care more about education and put more effort.

Seriously, what else could be the reason?  
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Maybe asians study more for standardized tests because they know they are competing against other asians who have high scores and have to stand out. Maybe the good black and hispanic students know from history that they don't need super high scores in order get multiple acceptances at all the ivies. [/quote]

Yes.  This is what’s so disappointing about AA advocates. They don’t realize that people rise to the standard that is expected of them. Kids respond to incentives just like everyone else. Removing AA at this point in history is going to narrow the achievement gap, not increase it. [/quote]

So  you're saying that Black and Hispanic students choose to do less because they know they will be admitted? Now you just sound stupid.[/quote]

I don’t think that tone is called for. All I (and the previous poster) are saying is that it’s a matter of degree. Work is costly. If the marginal payout is lower then you do less of it. Nobody is calling anyone lazy, people are smartly responding to incentives. This is why Asians study much much more hours than Blacks and Hispanics.

And that is why the achievement gap will diminish — removing AA increases the marginal benefit of studying for Blacks and reduces it for Asians.[/quote]

No. That’s not how that works. WTF? Are you trolling? [/quote]

Sometimes I do troll but this is not one of those times. What’s your objection to this argument?[/quote]

“This is why Asians study much much more hours than Blacks and Hispanics.”

So if there were no AA, Asian students will no longer study so many hours?  :roll:

Your logic is ridiculous. So much so that it sounds like trolling. 
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Well certainly some of this is culturally determined and slow to change, but yes if this artificial restriction on Asians eases they will ultimately respond by studying less.  Conversely Blacks will study and prep more if they need to to get into the level of school they want. I think you may either believe people don’t respond to incentives, or perhaps you believe that no amount of additional studying will raise Black test scores? If so, why?[/quote]

Reducing opportunities will reduce incentives. If someone thinks these schools are out of reach then why try?

Realistically, my own kids have very little chance of getting into my alma mater. It’s basically a lottery, even for legacies. So I’m not going to push them to kill themselves trying. 
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There are over 2800 4 year colleges. 
Pick somewhere else if you can't compete.
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My kids will be totally fine if they go to my alma mater. Or if they go to a top 50. Or probably even any four-year college.

And colleges get to define their criteria for “competition”. Not you. 
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