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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote]You mean like Eric Garner, who had no weapon and was raising his hands in the air as police calmly walked up to him in a huge group, wrestled him to the ground and choked him to death? WE ALL SAW THE VIDEO. Clearly the police were not scared or in danger -- they chose to kill him because it [b]pissed them off that he did not do what they said.[/b]

Same with Ferguson. You heard the neutral bystanders say, "Oh my God, he had his hands up." He was shot because he pissed the police officer off by calling him a pussy and walking away. If the police cannot deal with situations like this without resorting to murder, then they should not be police officers in this great country. Nor should they own a gun, IMO. I fear for their wives, children and neighbors[/quote]

The police gave Garner a command.  He did not obey and was belligerent.  He got shot. Lesson to be learned:  when the police tell you to do something you are to shut up, listen, and do what you are told.  They are in a high stress job where their lives are in danger every day.  Only stupid fools try to fight and argue with an armed policeman and they get killed for their stupidity.  Not saying they should be, just it can be avoided.

[quote]Oh, so I guess the two videos we have seen were manufactured on a sound stage in Area 51? [/quote]

No, but what we get to hear is censored and screened.  We only get to see and hear what the news media wants us to see and hear.  Not in every case but enough of them to discern a pattern.

[quote]We all heard the cellphone video of the completely neutral bystanders who said "OMG, he had his hands up and they shot him." They had no stake in the fight AT ALL. We all heard it. You did too. Don't pretend otherwise. [/quote]

Assumption #1:  the bystanders are neutral.
Assumption #2:  :"they" had no stake in the fight
Assumption #3   what we all heard from the cellphone video told the whole story.

Time and time again the media is trying to act as judge and jury before all the evidence is presented.  Just as in the case of Trayvon Martin and Michael Brown I refuse to allow my emotions to be impacted, I refuse to make a judgment until I see all the facts.  I refuse to allow the media try and drag me down the garden path.

I am NOT saying these policemen are innocent, or that what they did was right, or anything because I have not examined all the evidence and there has not been a trial.  All I am saying is, take with a grain of salt all that you see and hear on sound and video that is released across the internet.

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Again, what country are you from??? In the united States, the police do not kill you for not obeying a command -- they arrest you. We are a great country, a civilized country. If you want to live in a country where the police have a right to kill people who do not "obey a command" then GO SOMEWHERE ELSE.

We ALL saw the video. He was not belligerent. He was calmly standing with his hands in the air. My God, if you think that warrants his killing by police, then I have no way or reasoning with you. Clearly you think this could never happen to you or your loved ones. It could.[/quote]

You're right that police are supposed to arrest you when you disobey an order, and not kill you, but knowing that the cops can be trigger-happy, wouldn't it be prudent to just obey orders?? I just read of a case in DC where the guy was brandishing what looked to be a real gun and refused to drop it when the cop told him to. Given that the cop was fearful for his life, he actually sounded very reasonable. (There is a tape from his body cam.) Kept screaming.."drop the gun and let's talk about this." But the guy refused to drop the gun, and was pointing it. The cop had a split-second to make a decision, and he obviously feared for his own life. He shot and killed the guy, and only after that it was determined it was a fake gun. (They look a LOT like real guns.) Its very unfortunate that the guy is dead, but why not just drop your gun when ordered to and facing an armed officer?[/quote]

Your missing the point.  We have too many "trigger happy" cops.  This has probably been a problem for many years. But now that everyone has a video camera in their pocket, we are seeing what  really happens when a bad cop meets an innocent situation, and we don't like it.  We need better training for cops to stay cool under pressure and better ways of weeding out the bad cops before they kill someone.[/quote]

I'm not missing the point. It's a horrible pattern, I agree. All I'm saying is not to be a "hero" - and refuse to give in to the cop, who may or may not be wrong - because of this problem we have with cops not staying cool under pressure. We see they don't. We see they need better training. But knowing that (some) react poorly, why risk it? Just do what the cop says. That doesn't preclude the need for better training. It just increases the likelihood that you'll survive that specific encounter.[/quote]

Your still missing the point.  The citizen being pulled over is also under pressure.  Nobody likes being stopped by a cop even under the best of circumstances.  But that citizen may also be on drugs, mentally ill, have just come from his mother's funeral,  be late for a job interview or headed for his next terrorist attack.  We can't control who the police will encounter and what those people will do.  But we can control who becomes a police officer, provide them with good training, and hold them accountable for their actions.  This is necessary both for safety of all citizens as well as the police officers themselves.[/quote]

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