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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]What we're arguing about is your false claim that guns were being confiscated in Canada.  You pitched that false claim because you were trying to justify why legal guns can never be registered ... because you want to claim it's inevitable that registration leads to confiscation of legal guns.  So I proved you were misleading us when you suggested guns were being confiscated.  Now you're back-pedaling by saying it's just possible that guns could be confiscated.

We don't disagree about the hypothetical possibility of illegal guns being recovered by the government.  We don't even have to get into a complicated discussion about how easy it is to convert one of those semi-auto military-style guns to full automatic (which is a whole other problem IMHO).  If a legal gun owner is convicted of a felony, he's no longer allowed to possess a gun.  If he is found in possession of a gun after the felony conviction, the government can (and should) take the gun.  If the government uses a registration list to determine that the felon owns a gun, then it's arguably using the registration list to "confiscate" the gun.  Of course, the government could also just ask the felon if he owns any guns (and trust him to tell the truth), in which case the government would have a registration list but NOT be using it "confiscate" the gun.  So we don't disagree that it's potentially possible.  What's different is that you want to paint "confiscate" as a dirty word, to suggest that registration necessarily means all lawful guns will be rounded up by black helicopters.  I take a less-paranoid view that registration lists will be used in a logical way, and that may involve some illegal guns being identified, but certainly a small percentage overall.

What's the problem with that?  Are you opposed to the government taking guns away from convicted felons?  Why not make that easier to do?

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No, I didn't misrepresent the facts - fact are that the RCMP placed the gun in the prohibited category, a situation that persisted for over a year. Owners of guns in the prohibited category are to surrender their guns to an officer, which is then seized. This is the very definition of confiscation - you have no choice but to do this because they know who you are per the registration. Before the amnesty was put in place, this is exactly what owners were instructed to do. Do you not agree with this? Even with the amnesty in place, owners were prohibited from selling the guns to each other, and only to a business or museum that was authorized to be in possession of prohibited firearms, or to give it to an officer to be seized/confiscated.

No, confiscate is not a dirty word. People who should not have guns, should not. If there was good way to confiscate guns in possession by criminals and convicted felons without endangering the rights of the law abiding gun owners, then I'm all for it. Registration is not it. Neither does registration prevent a criminal from obtaining a gun, as we've see in many shooting cases where the guns used were bought by someone else other than the shooter. It's not a good idea to sacrifice the rights of law abiding citizens just to make it easier for the government to do something. Again I bring up the GPS tag everyone idea - it would make criminals easier to catch, are you opposed to government catching criminals? Why not make that easier to do?[/quote]

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