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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]No -- not lumping them in -- it's easy to distinguish between rapists, supporters of rapists and bystanders.  It's hard to understand why the bystanders would continute to [b]stand by, not to mention actively support[/b] the putative organization, when they could walk away and meet their spiritual needs elsewhere without the sleaze factor[/quote]

And that's your second logical fallacy. You keep asserting the PP you're sparring with is "standing by" or "actively supporting", the rapists. You're lying, because you know that PP doesn't "actively support" the rapists. Bigots like you depersonalize the objects of their bigotry.

Third of your logical fallacies: wouldn't working for change from within be as, or more, effective than "walking away"?

So basically you're relying on sleazy lies to lump PP in with the rapists. Of course, that's what bigots and fascists do.... You're playing straight from the bigot playbook.[/quote]

No logical fallacy:  The original reads "actively support the putative[b] organization[/b]," not the rapists.  All Catholics who are pledging members of the church are supporting the organization, irrespective of their view of rapist priests.[/quote]

You understand that it's a huge organization, right? That there are many good aspects along with the bad.

Your all-or-nothing demands are sleazy and illogical. Would you demand all Muslims abandon their faith because they read the same holy book as ISIS? Would you demand that moderate Republicans leave their party because of Trump (although you sound like a Trump supporter, so maybe that's a bad example). Would you demand Patriots fans abandon the team because of Brady? Of course not, that would be stupid. Blaming moderate Muslims for ISIS and moderate Republicans for Trump is flat-out stupid. Further, you want the moderate Muslims and Republicans to stay in their faith and party, respectively, to work for change.

Stop being deliberately obtuse. [/quote]

Straw men and False analogies - and the one about Trump is especially off because moderate republicans have not supported Trump from the beginning and are now actively repudiating him and are quite aware (if you read the conservative columnists) that trump could ruin the party.

As for the Catholic church -- the good of the church (e.g., spirituality, traditions, music, ritual) could continue once it was rid of all the corrupt leaders who participated in some way in the pedophilia scandal and after it made retribution to all the children who were abused.  That seems only fair and like soemthing an organziation based on the love of Jesus would want to do.[/quote]

And you'd allow your child to enter the home of a pedophile who's hosting a playdate?

It's the same situation.  The church covered up child rape. So while YOUR parish may have been "clean," it could have easily been one to absorb a sick fuck who was being passed around.  Do you honestly think these priests overseeing a parish didn't know what was going on?

Here's one excerpt from an LA Times article - http://articles.latimes.com/2013/feb/10/opinion/la-oe-dantonio-catholic-priest-molestations-20130210

[quote]One of the earliest cases to draw nationwide attention involved Gilbert Gauthe, a priest who raped dozens of boys in rural Louisiana. By 1984, when Gauthe was indicted on 34 counts of sex crimes against children, church officials had been aware he was abusing children for at least a decade. [b]But instead of reporting his crimes, they transferred him to another parish,[/b] where he continued to have sex with the children in his charge. He was stopped only after a boy he raped wound up in the hospital due to his injuries.[/quote]

How do you live with yourselves with this information now out in the open?

And again I ask, Would you STILL be faithful to the church if YOUR child had been raped?  and in the case above, sent to the hospital b/c he was raped so badly?

You'd STILL thank your God and your Jesus for being your protectors?

doubtful . . . [/quote]

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