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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote]I think science is incredibly harmful to faith. I am not a scientist by any stretch, but I am generally fascinated by it. Science drives or inspires my choices around medical care, education, nutrition, fitness, hobbies, and interests. I care what the studies say, knowing full well they may be in conflict with each other or later disproven. But I appreciate the effort to study an issue and quantify and explain the results.

I absolutely believe the depth of my interest in science drives my atheism. How could I believe in a deity when it has no foundation in anything we have come to understand about the driving forces in the universe? That said, I know plenty of educated people who certainly accept scientific tenets (but don't have the underlying interest in them) who are also able to embrace faith. [/quote]

OP and atheist who thinks science doesn't harm faith, here again.
No scientist would agree with you that we have come to understand the driving forces of the universe.  The more we learn the more we appreciate the huge gaps in our understanding.  It's also becoming clearer that there are ways/aspects of the universe that we probably can't fully comprehend, even if we end up being able to describe them.

But I'll just state again, that if you had faith, you might think these properties of the universe were the result of God's actions, or his creation. There are many people who believe both and it is possible to believe both while fully understanding the scientific universe.  Given that fact, I don't think we can say that science necessarily requires one to lose faith.  It sounds like you had little faith to begin with (nor did I) [b]but you are overselling the role science had in your becoming a full atheist.[/b] I predict you would have become one either way, even without science.

As for the person who believes proof of God is all around us, we can't have a productive conversation, can we? I know people of great faith who see Gods' works in everything but they understand that I don't and why I don't.  If you cannot understand that, we can't really talk about it usefully. [/quote]

Not the atheist you are addressing, but it is possible for people to become atheists in different ways, based on different influences.   Some really are sold on the scientific argument and others on biblical/historical/archeological issues.  I personally know people who never believed because religion just sounded like another fairy tale to them - no study of any kind involved. Some dropped their beliefs when they studied greek mythology in grade school.  Others left when they started studying science in high school and others didn't leave until they did their own study of the bible and religious history. [/quote]

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