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First, which verse are you referring to that "condemns Christians/jews who don't convert to Islam? Are you referring still to 9:30? That particular verse does not condemn Christians/jews for not converting to Islam, it condemns those Christians/Jews who were responsible for corrupting the original Gospel or Jesus' message and misleading their descendants.

Many modern day Christians/Jews all know of Islam, just as many Muslims also know of Christianity and Judaism. Few Christians/Jews actually study Islam. [b]Islam requires a serious study[/b] to recognize its validity and truth. In fact, Christianity requires a serious study to recognize that the Gospel was indeed altered significantly by people. Yes, [b]it is incumbent for people to try to study Islam[/b] or at least their own religion if they have any awareness that it had been altered significantly. However, to what degree Allah holds such an expectation and how serious the punishment is for not studying Christianity or Islam is a determination that only Allah can make. As I said, intention is key. I am sure there are many other factors to consider, such as the ease of learning quranic arabic, the time available, etc.. That said, the Quranic verses make clear well meaning Christians and Jews will not be barred from Heaven or from God's grace. That is the point.[/quote]

Your careful choice of words here essentially validates verse 3:86, which says that Christians and Jews who have heard of Islam but don't convert are destined for hell. It doesn't seem accidental that you use words like "requires serious study" and "incumbent" to convey the point, from 3:86, that people who have heard about Islam are supposed to look into it further. Or what?

Speaking of word choices, we are being very careful not to mention the non-Abrahamic faiths, I notice. And what about well-behaved atheists?

You basically punt on the the rest, and that means you wave your hands about some key issues. First, you simply assert that anybody who studies Islam will "recognize its validity and truth."  Well, maybe not. I've read the Quran cover to cover (although in English.) For me, the decision to reject Islam is not, as you frame it, a choice between "God's words" and an old or new testament that were recorded by men. The decision to reject Islam is based on the intolerance I saw in the book. I simply can't believe that any God would want people to relate to each other like that, on his behalf, and especially in the 21st century when so many different ethnicities and faiths and sexual preferences are linked together so closely by the Internet, media, and the threat of WMD. I suppose in your eyes, I'm going to hell.

You also punt on the second key point, which is, how much studying does God expect Christians and Jews to do? Will God forgive me because, being a working mother of two, I never got a chance to read the Quran in the original Arabic or to study the prophet's sayings and all the interpretive literature? Or am I doomed merely because I heard of Islam but didn't convert? You say you don't know the answer.  But because you don't answer this, you leave open the clear possibility that God will send to hell even those Jews and Christians who heard of Islam but didn't pursue it any further. [/quote]

Since you seem to be very interested in this verse….here is one explanation behind that particular verse (includes arabic for those who read and understand Quranic Arabic:

(3:86) How can Allah guide people who once believed, after they received clear signs and affirmed that the Messenger was a true one, lapsed into disbelief.73 Allah does not guide the wrong-doers.

Explanation: This is a repetition of the statement made earlier, namely that the Jewish rabbis of Arabia in the time of the Prophet (peace be on him) knew, and sometimes even testified to verbally, that Muhammad was a true Prophet and that his teachings were the same as those of the earlier Prophets. (See for instance Qur'an 2: 89 - Ed.) Their subsequent attitude - namely that of rejection and opposition - was the outcome of prejudice and intransigence, born out of their centuries-old hostility to the Truth.

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(3:87) The recom- pense for their wrong-doing is that the curse of Allah and of the angels and of all men shall upon them.
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(3:88) Thus shall they abide. Neither shall their chastisement be granted nor shall they be granted any respite.
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(3:89) But those who repent and mend their ways shall be excepted for indeed Allah is Forgiving, All-Compassionate.
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(3:90) Those who relieved and have har-dened in their disbelief after once believing,74 their (pretence to) repentance shall not be accepted. Indeed such men have altogether strayed.
Explanation: They were not content with just rejecting the call to the Truth but stood in vehement opposition and hostility to it and spared no efforts in obstructing people from following the way of God. They created doubts, spread misgivings, sowed the seeds of distrust and engaged in the worst conspiracies and machinations in order to frustrate the mission of the Prophet (peace be on him).

Thus, 3:86 referred to people who had intentionally saw the truth of Islam, knew it, but still denied it to create division and enmity. Still, Allah said He will forgive them if they repent sincerely in 3:89, but He will not forgive those who feign acceptance or repent just when they know death or punishment is imminent.
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