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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Basis opened in 2012 and attracted many high performing kids who would have otherwise gone to Latin. Could this account for some of the decline observed at Latin?[/quote]

I have been wondering if it is not the Latin curriculum itself, time spent learning Latin (which I figured would help my kid's SATs) taking away from working towards advanced status in math and reading? I'm concerned because I have 2 kids I wish could go there, but while one is a star student the other is not. I need a school that can handle both types [/quote]

just name me nasty Basis poster: since we have been competing with Washington Latin in Certamen (Latin) competitions, we have consistently beaten Washington Latin

I don't think it is emphasis on Latin (although they did tell us it was their way of introducing English grammar, which at Basis is introduced as English grammar - master it or you are fucked) that is hurting Latin

I would love to know what it is that is hurting Washington Latin[/quote]

I think Latin's "problem" is precisely that they don't going around telling adolescents to learn the material "or you are fucked." That's why parents choose it and that's why students stay, but it is also why its scores are not as high as they would appear if you erased 10% of the lowest-scoring students each year. [/quote]

Why are you rooting for hurting children's self esteem in their formative years?  Just because student's are in the bottom 10% of the class does not make them worthless.  Someone has to be in the bottom 10%.  Your post doesn't even make sense.  You are a very negative and mean person.

Oh - I see you are the "nasty BASIS poster."[/quote]

I'm sorry,[b] I am the one who is usually called the "nasty Basis poster", and the above is not my post[/b]

This whole thread is not about the bottom 10% of the class, and it is not about raw scores, and it is not about Basis.
It is about why students who start out scoring advanced coming in to Washington Latin end up scoring proficient.  It is about a downward trajectory from the top, not so much an upward trajectory from the bottom - but that at least should be happening in the middle, and that is not happening either at Washington Latin.

Latin went up from 2006-2010, and then started going down and has not stopped

you do not have to worry about not having a star student at Latin - Latin will be fine for both your kids
Latin is definitely a lot more kind and forgiving than Basis - there are no comprehensive exams.........
there is always extra credit. There is always a way to catch up, and the environment is a lot cozier

I would not describe Basis the way it was described above, but I think it is a much better environment for advanced students in math and science who can really flourish there than for the bottom 10%, 
and I would think twice before sending a kid who is academically behind to Basis just because of the amount of work.
But I don't think Basis took a lot of kids from Latin.
I think Basis and Latin cater to entirely different crowds - STEM and more liberal arts oriented less math oriented
About 15 kids left Latin for Basis.  I think the rest ended up at Basis because they could not get in to Latin.

remember - year over year, they compare how a kid scores with how other kids (starting out with the same score) scored the next year - that is how they measure improvement.  And Latin is not improving, it is doing the opposite.
so for example last year if you look, 65% of the white kids at Deal scored (in either math or English - don't remember) higher than they had the previous year - wherever they were to begin with - basic, proficient, advanced.  Since the DC average is 50%, and Deal scores so high to begin with, that is  pretty impressive.  It is MGP.  Latin's MGP is bad.

Not just for the bottom 10% - for all students
And the kids Washington Latin seems to really be failing is the advanced students

the growth measurement is not about raw scores, it is about improvement
Latin did get screwed on the measure of "high school readiness" which is measured by math, but that is 2.5 /100
growth on the other hand is 40/100
Latin's overall score went from 79 to 59 in 4 years, the cut off for Tier I is 60

to quote the person who explained this the best, understanding that almost ALL schools had a DC CAS surge in 2010

[quote]The decline does look bad, PP.

The percentage of kids scoring Advanced in reading and math at Latin MS increased dramatically in 2010, but has been on the decline ever since.

What caused the large increase in 2010? Was there a surge in middle class enrollment for the 2009-2010 school year? Is that the year Deal stopped taking kids zoned for Hardy? Is there another reason?

Anyway, since 2010, the number of kids scoring Advanced at Latin MS has been on the decline. This decline is not due to the departure of bright kids, though, at least not entirely. The median growth percentile has also been on the decline at Latin MS since 2010:

Year -- Reading MGP -- Math MGP 
2011 -- 63.5% -- 52.2% 
2012 -- 56.9% -- 44.8% 
2013 -- 46.0% -- 46.0% 
2014 -- 42.8% -- 39.8%

The MGP data point to a multi-year trend of Advanced kids falling behind at Latin MS. Why is this happening?[/quote]

So the bottom 10% hardly plays into this at all.  10% is not enough to flip it.[/quote]

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