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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Muslima][quote=Anonymous][quote=Muslima]How do you think we were created? Do you believe that everything that happens is random and jut a matter of chance? And finally, how do you cope? especially when there is so much injustice done, how do you rationalize that?[/quote]

OP here.  I believe that human beings evolved over millions of years from less complex organisms to what we are today.  I do believe a that life is very random.  I work a lot with statistics and numbers so I see this often in my professional life.  Maybe it's biased my personal life as well but I doubt it.  I think a lot of people aren't comfortable with randomness and the idea that there is someone controlling everything and looking out for them is incredibly reassuring.  Is that reality though?  I would argue no, it's not.

How do I cope?  Injustice, sad to say, is a part of life but so is successful, beauty, love, friendship, etc. You've got to take the good with the bad.  I'm very fortunate in that I have a lot of love from family and friends that's helped me in times past when things have been hard.[/quote]

Thank you OP for answering. I also love science and statistics, who knew?  :-) The problem comes when one tries to take the scientific method and apply it to things it wasn't meant for, like philosophy or religion. In Islam we accept divine revelation as a source of proof as well because we believe in the truthfulness of the Messenger (saws) to deliver the message of God.

Even if you don't believe in divine revelation, the Qur'an itself commands humans to ponder over Creation and to reflect over it, and to let that guide them to Allah. It even provides arguments against atheists. For example, in Surat Toor and other places. There is another place where Allah offers 4 possibilities for the provenance of Creation - will update the answer if I find it.

Lastly, if you apply Bayes Rule to find the probability that everything came into being just on its own and try to find the posterior probability of every single coincidence and complexity and start multiplying them together, you have a vanishing probability of everything just happening on its own. You can make it as small as you like when you keep adding events to the chain. This is a probabilistic proof so it doesn't count as an absolute proof.

"We cannot prove to an atheist the existence of Allah. In fact we cannot prove the existence of Allah to anyone. We can at most find evidence to support our claims, but in the end it comes to "belief".

An analogy occurs in mathematics, where people ask, can we prove all the correct statements? The answer is no and it is proven by Godel's incomplete theorem. That an axiomatic system capable of arithmetic is either complete or consistent. In plain words there are always statements that are true but we cannot prove. To believe in Allah is to take as an axiom the existence and uniqueness of Allah. It is the basis upon which we do rational reasoning, and we do not do reasoning on that, if you already chose your axiom. But then of course different people choose different axioms. An atheist's axioms are by definition different. Therefore the Qur'an itself is a miracle, but only if you believe so."

Now going back to the Injustice question, I guess I didn't phrase it correctly. What I wanted to know was how do you accept the inequalities, injustices in this world if you do not believe in a Higher Being? For instance, as a Muslim, I believe in Allah, and because of that belief, I also believe in divine judgment and divine justice. I believe that we will each have our day in court, where all of our deeds will be measured. Everybody will be rewarded for every atom of good and every atom of evil they have done. So when I see an evil person, who has an amazing life in spite of all the evil they ar doing, and it looks to the outside world that they are getting away with it,  I am comforted in knowing that there is divine Justice and one day they will have to respond to those deeds. So,  what I'm trying to understand is for someone who doesn't believe in that,  [b]how do you rationalize, explain to yourself why bad things happen to good people, and why good things happen to bad people? Do you just believe that it's still all random, and life is just unfair?[/b]  Thank you

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Non-OP respectful atheist here -- that's pretty much how I feel, that life is unfair, sometimes, but that part of being alive is accepting that, doing what you can to make it "fairer" and moving on.[/quote]

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