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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]What's wrong with a logical atheist^^ the posters point is way more scientific and logical .  What is a goofier religion than an atheist with some dumb opinion on what he feels is moral or good? Some atheist people have violence and power in the good column and if they can kill you then I guess they are the ones who are right.[/quote]

Explain the logical connection between the premise "When we die, there is no afterlife and no supreme being," to "There are no morals"?[/quote]

Morals without a creator or afterlife are individual.  If one persons morals include killing people who get in his way then it is equally valid to any other.  Anything otherwise is the "feelings"'of a separate essentially worthless being.[/quote]

If there is no creator, is it still not true that 1+1=2?  There can be objective external truths without a creator. And people will disagree about what is moral even within one region. Is doesn't t mean there isn't a truth to the matter; it means we may not be right about the truth and should be humble. [/quote]

I agree that you don't need a creator for a traacendent moral law to exist, much like math does for those who think that math facts are discovered and not invented. However, presupposing such a Moral Law (not fully known by anyone but existing) already puts you outside of a purely evidence-based naturalistic universe. [/quote]

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