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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]Almost no scholar disputes that Jesus existed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historicity_of_Jesus[/quote]

+1.  Plus, if this troll is going to argue that Jesus never existed, she needs a plausible counterfactual to explain the multiple Roman and Christian records that appeared within a few decades of his death and resurrection. There is no plausible counterfactual.[/quote]

Multiple Roman and Christian records within "a few decades" of his death.  Please - provide one, just one.[/quote]

The gospels, Josephus.

Your turn. Who do you claim "made" up this fictional Jesus, the man/divine figure who you think never existed.  And why did they bother? Provide one name of a person or group involved in fabricating Jesus out of the blue. Provide one, just one.[/quote]

Also Tacitus.

Jesus had some popular following, but certainly[b] was not big enough news at the time of his death [/b]to attract any of the then existing recorders of history.  But as the movement grew and became a force to be reckoned with, one then gets mentions.  But for the history writers of the time the life and death of a carpenter's son did not qualify as news, let alone history.

The reason almost no scholar disputes his existence is because over time Christians became a force the Romans had to deal with, [b]and it was clear that their beginnings were in a group of followers of a man who once lived, not a man they made up out of whole cloth.[/b]

Again, if you want to argue Christ's divinity, feel free.  But it is pretty pointless to argue his existence.[/quote]

I don't know - [b]rising from the dead seems like pretty big news, even in those days[/b].  And there are Scholars who dispute his existence -- Richard Carrier, for instance, and Robert Price.

about the only thing that was "clear" was that Paul wrote about him and traveled around, spreading the word. And we know that the supernatural parts -- born of a virgin, rising from the dead - were derived from earlier mythical gods.  Those mythical, supernatural aspects are also central to the Christian faith.[/quote]

So a scruffy band of disciples believe their crucified leader rose from the dead.  Maybe today that would make a small box on page 17 of the National Enquirer, but that's hardly big news, not to mention there wasn't anything like the National Enquirer in those days.  It definitely would not have been seen as history n the making at the time.  I've already said so what if the Jesus story evokes primal messages of early human consciousness and you have not yet responded with the what.[/quote]

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