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If we are going to rely on the NT as the basis for what is moral and immoral perhaps you could comment on the following also in the NT and whether we are bound to follow them:

“I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be silent.” (1 Timothy 2:12)

“Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord.” (Ephesians 5:22)

“Slaves, submit yourselves to your masters with all respect, not only to the good and gentle but also to the cruel.” (1 Peter 2:18) [/quote]

[b]When you read the Bible, please remember the time period and the culture of the writer of that particular book. [/b]

Back then, women were not educated, and that is why they were not allowed to teach..because you don't want an uneducated person teaching someone. This would apply today, as well. However, keep in mind that Jesus himself taught women, welcomed them.

A lot of people forget that second part of the verse “Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord", which is "Husbands, love your wives as Jesus loves the church."  In that regard, men and women are submitting to each other.

Slavery - while Jesus never outright condemns slavery, he does mention several times to "Love each other as I have loved you".  This would mean a Master should love his Slave, which includes not mistreating them.  Jesus taught to obey the laws, both God's and man's, with the exception of when man's laws goes against God's law.  Also, Jesus teaches to react to cruelty with love (as in, turn the other cheek). So here, he is acknowledging that there are cruel people in this world, and as a Christian, you are to treat this person with love.

That last part is hard to follow.  First to admit, I can't follow that part.

Back to Op's question - yes, the homosexual act is a sin, and so is adultery, greed, slander, etc.. as others have mentioned.  I sin everyday, more or less. We have all fallen short of the glory of God.

I believe if Jesus were here today, He would indeed reach out to gay people.[/quote]

But therein lies the problem; you are choosing to interpret Paul's words and relate it to the times. A not unreasonable position, I would add but once one opens the door to relating some of Paul's comments in the context of the times he lived, why limit it to the role of women in those times?

One could say the same thing about gays and gay relationships; [b]perhaps in those times it was viewed as sinful[/b] but today, at least in much of the West, it is viewed as a choice that two people of the same sex choose to make. Often, it is a relationship that is based on love and understanding - characteristics which Christ would certainly have advocated and approved. Besides, the fact that Christ never even mentioned homosexuality is striking given the OT's strong admonitions against it.

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The only thing about what you stated in bold is that in both OT and NT, it states that the act is abhorrent or detestable to God (in some way).  There are many specific sins that Jesus did not talk about.  [b]But His general message was about salvation, not about specific sin.[/b] So, it makes sense that He wouldn't focus on *all* sinful acts.[/quote]

I am sorry to say that you are wrong.

His essential message was - and he said it as opposed to Paul or anyone else interpreting it:

When he was asked by his disciples:
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[i]"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?”

Jesus replied: “‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind.’ This is the first and greatest commandment. And the second is like it: ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.'" All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two commandments.”
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Can there be a clearer message from Christ about what he deemed to be of paramount importance?
 
He did not talk about salvation when he said the above. He did not even talk about sin. His essential message was to LOVE God and to LOVE one's neighbor. And he said that everything flows from these two commandments.

Sadly, those who focus on salvation and sin miss this essential message - which BTW is something that we focus on every Sunday at our service. It is an integral part of the liturgy.

I used to attend a well-known evangelical church and not once did I hear this key passage cited by the pastor - NOT ONCE. But I heard endless admonitions about sin and warnings about hell and damnation.

Read all of what Christ said and you will find that love, faith and forgiveness are the words he uses the most. Yes, he refers to salvation and sin ....... but the frequency of those words pale in comparison to love, faith and forgiveness.

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