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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Muslima][quote=Anonymous][quote=Muslima][quote=Anonymous][b]The topic of THIS thread is NOT "TELL ME ABOUT ISLAM."  [/b]

I do not want to know much more about Islam other than the last two questions that I asked you that you simply cannot seem to answer when you seem to be so verbose about so much else.

You're very defensive, Muslima,  they are simple questions.  Speak the truth.  Is that not something the Koran commands you to do among so many other things?[/quote]

Did you even bother to read the opening post of this thread?

As far as your questions are concerned, they have been treated over and over, believe me, they are very "basic" questions. No need to go on and on about why I didn't answer as it is some sort of sacrilege. I can't keep repeating myself over and over. Like I told you in a previous post if you didn't get it then, you won't get it now. Repeating/doing the same thing over and over expecting a different outcome is the definition of insanity, I choose to stay sane![/quote]
[b]You never provided any numbers to back up your claim that Islam in America (or anywhere) is growing more by conversion than by immigration. [/b][Would you like to take that back, or acknowledge it was your opinion that isn't confirmed by actual statistics?[/quote]

Go and bring the quote where I made that statement [/quote]
Well I have to apologize since it seems it wasn't you, it was your passionate friend, posted at 00.27

http://www.dcurbanmom.com/jforum/posts/list/120/405354.page

No worries, she hasn't brought the answer either.

You two seem to be close. Maybe you can figure something out?

I hope you see how outrageous claims like this make you two so...dismissable.[/quote]

I am the OP and I am also the one who made the statement about Islam's growth and conversion rate. I am not close to Muslima and I do not know her offline. I have never communicated with her before all this began. But I agree with her for the most part. She's represented well on this and the other Islam thread. She is very knowledgeable and, just as a good Muslim should be, she never lost her temper. Too bad I'm not so good. lol But I stand behind my statements about conversion. I thought we addressed this on the other thread pages and pages ago. Yet here we are again, revisiting this topic.

Here are the reasons why I believe Islam IS the fastest growing religion on earth and why I think it's by conversion:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Growth_of_religion 
    Footnote 68/69 are the sources for the claim that Islam is the fastest growing religion by conversion. This is validated by the Guinness Book of World Records as well as the Carnegie Endowment for World Peace. Only the PEW people refute this and simply because they can't validate the numbers. The other groups seem to have no issue making this claim.

http://www.ibtimes.com/shamrock-crescent-islam-irelands-fastest-growing-religion-1557033
     Islam is the fastest growing religion in Ireland. Immigration and population are mentioned but so is conversion as the reason.

Here is another report stating the same, that Islam is the fastest growing religion by conversion:
ww.cnn.com/WORLD/9704/14/egypt.islam/

And yet another source that exposes organizations that refute this statistic often turn out to be Christian missionary groups or Christian funded groups:
http://www.answering-christianity.com/yahya_ahmed/islam_fasting_growing_religion_world.htm

The UK reports that Islam is the fastest growing religion there too.
And even if you do not accept it's the fastest growing religion by conversion, apparently Christians are worried it's growing too fast and too many are converting, as evidenced by this report: http://www.cbn.com/spirituallife/onlinediscipleship/understandingislam/why_are_westerners_converting.aspx

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There's one large problem that I see when we discuss the growth of Islam- the penalty for leaving Islam is, at best, very severe.  At worst, it is death, sometimes by the state.  When you are discussing the rate of growth of something, you have to include the rate of loss, and we can't do that for Islam, because in many Muslim-majority countries, people who leave Islam must do so in secret.  Even in the west, Muslims would have to deal with a lot of pressure from their family and social group.  You better believe that in the Middle East, the fastest growing belief system right now is probably Atheism.[/quote]

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