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[quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele][quote=Anonymous][quote=jsteele]
I again ask, do you expect average Muslims to agree with you and begin taking concubines or do you expect them to reject their religion? Or, are they only supposed to bow down to your obviously superior knowledge of their religion? It looks to me that your only interest is spreading a negative perception of Islam despite the fact that your effort is based on something that is practically unknown among Muslims.

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I have no expectations - of Muslims, of you, or indeed of anyone else.

Do you not get it, or are you refusing to get it? The issue isn't whether an average Muslim takes concubines or not. If you want to define the religion by what average Muslims do, well, average Muslims drink alcohol and engage in premarital sex, and it's perfectly clear the religion condemns it.  The issue is: does Islam, or does Islam not, in the words of whatever religious authority is authorized to interpret it today, allow for concubinage? Is it possible to locate a scholarly opinion by a Muslim scholar, today, that concubinage is acceptable? The answer to that question is "yes."

It's practically unknown among Muslims because most of them are reasonable people.  This has nothing to do with what their scholars say is permissible.  We don't judge what religion allows by the action of its followers. We judge what the religion allows by the laws of its scripture.[/quote]

No, you don't get it. Islam doesn't have religious authorities that are authorized to interpret the religion for all Muslims. You can find a few kooks or people on the Saudi payroll who might agree with you, but go to your local mosque and ask. You won't be told that concubines are acceptable. The comparison to alcohol and premarital sex is specious. The average Muslim, whether that individual engages in such things or not, will agree that they are forbidden by Islam. Ask the same individual about concubines, and you will also be told they are also forbidden. I question how much time you have spent among actual Muslims.

It is interesting that when it comes to Islam, you judge by its scripture (despite Muhammad's biography not being scripture). Yet, in the undeniable case of Hagar in the Christian and Jewish scripture, you raise the bar to require a recent ruling by a reputable scholar. 
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The New Testament talks about marriage in terms of couples, not polygamy. Who needs more recent scholarly rulings?[/quote]

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