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[quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous][quote=Anonymous]OP, if you're going to toss out a big idea, then you need to follow up with details of how you'd implement it.

So, how exactly are you going to enforce the "no children" rule?  Are you going to force women to undergo temporary sterilization to receive benefits?  Then what about men too?  Are you going to simply take all benefits away if a woman becomes pregnant, making her face the choice of terminating a pregnancy in order to keep whatever support she was getting?  And if she doesn't get an abortion, then you are satisfied with having babies & children living in abject poverty with no government support in order to prove your lesson, sending them into the ugly cycle of poverty all over again?

When people have only bad choices before them, it's pretty difficult to make a good one.  How about if you support training and education programs to help people get jobs, drug treatment programs to help people, child care subsidies so that parents can actually go to work, and raising the minimum wage so that people who do work don't have to ask for food stamps just to survive?

You would punish many innocent people just to get at a few bad apples.

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Women can go on the pill and continue to receive benefits. If they have additional kids - no more benefits. It isn't that hard. Unfortunately, the man never has to suffer since he isn't capable of getting pregnant. The goal would be that the woman be smart enough to not get pregnant when she can't support the child. That isn't taking awya any rights. She can have as many kids as she wants - she just doesnt get any public benefits to support them. And the kids will suffer and continue this cycle regardless of benefits. Iwork in social services and it sickens me to see how families use their assistance. 
And your point about it being difficult to make good choices - it shouldnt be hard to take a BCP or just say no to sex. [/quote]

So you are saying the government has the right to force people to take contraceptives?  After complaining up and down that the contraception mandate was a violation of your religious freedom????[/quote]

You need to understand that there is a difference between libertarians and religious conservatives.[/quote]

[b]This has nothing to do with contraception.[/b] There is another alternative - don't have intercourse. If the government is providing assistance related to having kids, then they have the right to not cease providing assistance if the person has another child. No one is forcing anyone to do anything. Whether that means going on birth control or just not having intercourse, that is up to the recipient. I want to collect unemployment, the government is requiring that I actively look for a job while collecting. If you don't want to take birth control or quit having intercourse then don't ask for assistance. It is unfortunate, but sometimes the government has to step in to save people from themselves. That is why we have seat belt laws. [/quote]

+100  And, my spouse insists that the seat belt law was "the beginning of government intrusion." [/quote]

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